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In fact i'm into numbers lately (about genetic studies) and having a lot of fun and getting some understanding about migrations, national narratives and similar, writing up late today... i'll give complete picture from wiki about whole continent, in link who wants to look:
even Hungary doesn't have it in mentionable percent... great findings generally... ... since you used "culturally backwarded Turk" expression, i intentionally wrote my stories to show that Turkey is where one will find love more likely than in "neighbourhood" hope that's clear now, i'm not shy to explain that, it wasn't personal...Oh, but they do... multitask !Still clinging to the old notion that women don't use their heads?
i sincerely ask everybody posting here to not start a spam war. okay, it's the pub, the rules about offtopic posting are less restrictive here, but please, keep some quality level of the posts what they had on the first 5 pages
No chance of such a thing ever happening. Just look who's "around" and, most importantly, who isn't...
I'd imagine that the above is a back-handed compliment to "Open Mike's" past participants. Personally, I'll take it.
devoid of even a smidge of "strange" humor, of course ! 
(do not follow topics that much) Anyway, Chinese are serious scientists (i hope) and hint is - it doesn't hurt 
All the best! Keep us updated.Ale wrote: ↑2021-02-03 10:21, Wednesdayso after full year in which corona related and pandemic posts dominated in "mike", fresh news is i got vaccinated today. with Chinese one, lets hope for the best. I did sign a paper in which is said i delegate my fate to Sinofarm hands... i was with a group, we had our term today. they say that American vaccine will be available from next few days
20 days more - for second shot, if alive - and Turkey i'm clean of that calamity too ) good luck... if you do not see me, well .....
anyway you'll understand "my thread with pics" (some time ago) wasn't needed that much and i'm too casual to maintain it, so i'll use this place for everything (or almost anything)... that's intent. (if pictures are disliked here, just say) Thematically it is related to my recent activity in this thread... Second it was six day visit, people of Stambol waved and greeted our king, also noticed enthusiastic waving of flag behing by Turk (was he Ottoman in fact)) guard soldier etc. etc. Many unbelievable details from today perspective but it was like it... and ww1 was technicality without any combat between two - because we had to "get old Ras back home" but looking at story must say glad that in such last war operations ended fast and Turks both in Macedonia and Edirne didn't suffer much if/when captured (by our soldiers)... my thoughts aside, great UK front page and interesting to look at, sometimes "modern people" indeed should learn at least a bit from both medieval and XIX/early XX century relations, even when they were bad in times...
you just say and I change thread or open new one... like funny pics, or unoffensive political satire on president Erdogan (great friend) and relations in "region" - maybe I'll post something eventually later (or never)). Word is enough and I go to my thread, most seriously, same to moderators.... .... not sure if it's Turkish or Azeri dress (would fit in XV century and is very beautiful equally)... 
it is obvious that such is our stronger point and something to exploit... if great film about Ankara battle with some love stories inside and twist about our knights being "sexy" in film, instead of Kosovo battle was made in the 80s, probably we would be in much better situation as country today, guess... so the time will come to do that and one of the results will be beutiful new "race", Serbo-Turk Turks wouldn't even notice if less than 3 million Serbia males all marry Turkish girls 
I put it only without any words as funny photo and who doesn't understand in background is Greek guardist in traditional clothes (during official visit, I guess). So, because this is most interesting relations today in "region" (Balkan) but there is no explosivity there and will be alright, so lets just laugh about photo, it will solve... ) (no more from me on that for now)
Remember when i intentionally joked one Greek on historical subjects, laugh and alright until something came out of him and he said (needlesly) "you didn't even know to write before we taught you" (in early middle ages, his idea) ...every tribe and nation is different in some way in that sense, even if geographically close.... we for example have some greatness "meme" (meaning something that repeats historically in uneven frequencies) but (in Scythian tradition) somehow know inside that nobody thinks really great about us and that we "make impact, short lived empire and go fight among ourselves or change location", do not create long lasting civilisations and have that auto-satirical element of nomads with desire to be seen more favorable in some heads.... .... i think Stefan, "black knight", story shows that very well on historical example with helping Turks, helping Sigi and in the end you get nowhere, evaluating "self/tribal/country-interest" BUT great Anatolian toponym stayed there for long, great legacy of Stefan and how Turks loved him.... ; i think my recent posts are more cultural and personal than political, no joke Turks liked him (some say he also liked Turkish women)) and was alright guest afterwards in Stambol.... yeah, he was authoritarian, corrupt but that's another part, my point is about "Turkey and us" other part is about us and unability to reach "normal government" inside ; (Turks didn't influence that)...said one Turkish official from Abdullah Gül administration during visit some years ago.... some claim that Gül and people around him were "founders" of "neo-Ottoman" idea, but do not worry BulgariaAlthough we do not have a common border, we see Serbia as a neighbour
jokes aside, we as a country should give them more time and patience to express themselves and we would see that they do not mean no harm as people and country... we can look at past and learn from good examples. Particular politicians will come and go, but it is for us (ready to sign that whenever) biological/emotional relationship (is there any other country where all females are called "Turkey" out of pure love) and more culturaly close "gold mine" in future any interaction with new members from there welcome, all others do not mind my chance to say here... ; (alright we were first just because our rebels had luxury to cross border and arm in Habsburg lands not because we are greatest heroes)) when you add negative social-biological tendencies, weak to non-existant geopolitical situation/position, lot's of uncertainities regarding future, you get idea even more... but I always remember events and people who died for ideals or out of heroism. .... in this "holy-days" I'm thinking that all those parts of much bigger (numerically humanoid above all) need "Black knight" film more than ever and whole Stefan life story defeated to see how many Greeks comment about "they didn't consider us human" and how many Turks comment "they wanted us all exterminated" while in reality Greeks and Serbs used Turks (and Turkopiles) in armies prior to annexation, we both mated with them, sultan from my film was "half/quarter Greek" as well Evrenos one of the commanders behind "Sirpsindigi" events, we both helped them defeat us and annex us etc. etc. ) re-read history.... Reading comments on both sides (not numerous but still...) really bit of calm and hope from me, it's holiday all 3 of us like which didn't separate us forever... - unrelated I also independently found this picture of some Iranian rural folks (from some tribe unknown to me, they have many tribes...).... let me look, what that mister has on his head.... uhmm.. (from this angle looks like some "traditional" Serb hat, hence joke btw) (having genteical diversity by research) don't know about Croats as they claim that they are Goths... or Gog and Magog, I forgot .... picture for fun, do talk anything if you wish.... 
not expert on issue and many things are above my knowledge, but super interesting theories... we are talking "lingustical events" dating to some periods centuries BC in general. Might be true and Serbs and Croats might be living example in today world of such hypothesis (as tribe names)... interestingly enough one unrelated work by "Czech or Saxon Serb" scientist from days when sceince wasn't as advanced and not knowing all this about Iranic languages (some XIX or early XX c, I forgot and not important to check now) proposed that Serb derive name from some (he imagined it as Slavic word) "to sip or to suck, slurp etc." - funny enough it is mentioned in some form in this work... However, most likely Serb(v)s and Cr(v)oats do not have Slavic word in basis of tribe name, but proto-Indo-Iranian-European related to "serve, protect", my and some others proposition based on Serb migrations and being often in service of others, confirmed by geographical mentioning and positions through centuries (already talked about...) It is not exact science, just propositions with very reliable percent of chance which objective people in range from England to Germany and Russia alike mentioned in their works, making our ancestors "super cool"Elsewhere in Iranian, however, the evidence points to a development *sr > hr inall contexts rather than *sr > *θr, and thus we can easily assume that *tansra-yielded tanhra- > *tãhra- > *tahra- which then developed quite parallel to *hazah-ra- ‘thousand’ > MP, Parthian hz’r, Sogd. z’r, Khot. ysāru etc. For initial position,compare the following cases: 1)*srautah- > *hrautah- > OP rauta ‘river’ > MP, Parth. rwd, Sogd. rwt, NP rōd. 2)*sraxwa- > *hraxwa- ‘corner of mouth?’ (= OIA srákva-) > Armenian LW erax‘mouth’, Persian rox, Pashto rāx/-rxo ‘cheek’, Bal. rakk ‘lip’ (cf. pakkag ‘ripe’ <*paxwaka). 3)*sraba- > *hraba- > Pashto raw-, Shughni rāv- ‘to suck’ ... < IE *srebʰ- ‘to sip,to slurp’
some science should be approached with open mind and accepted. Ready to say - while many do not understand - that we (and Croats) have the most proof (except some Caucasian, Iranian, Anatolian etc. tribes) by sources of all European nations to accept at least part of Iranic ancestry.... (as we mimic-ed Turks in some language forms, dishes and musical expressions...) Finally - talked with some males I know and generally Serbs do have sexual attraction to Turk females, Arabic, Iranian and their "moves" (even if not talked openly), which is good thing for future....grim and bad subject per se and while I like any "philosophy" in political comment, I checked details by international organizations... maybe mister aimed at fact that "Europe is region with most suicides" while something we traditionally called Levant fares very good in such sad statistic. Hats off, Turkey in that sense, from a country not in top but with much higher rate per 100,000 than you, dear...Although some call it the age of space, the present age is still unnamed. According to Western political thought, the economic development of countries will conclude with unprecedented prosperity and peace around the world.
The highest rates of suicides, however, belong to those countries that are economically most developed. During the coronavirus pandemic, Western developed countries performed poorly. etc. etc.
first letter being specific for us and sounds similar to Turkish "tü-" combo... in reality exact origin of word in our language is unknown, some even say it is onomatopoiec word, some related to "kurka" in many languages with some Serb pronouncement mutation etc. Of unknown time of starting its usage here... But it is sweet joke, isn't it, plus I'm 100% sure that Turk girls/females did look both sexy and exotic/colourful starting from XIV century compared to our, relatively conservative and uniformed, females back in those days... one of the reasons why my "fictional" black knight in story run into several troubles and even confrontations with own countrymen regarding fate of Turkish girls in story and ready to draw a sword for her... (now called Ottoman empire). "Lala" is, btw, their old word for "tutor" or "teacher", like one Lala Sahin Pasha (more info in "translations" thread as well) who surely tutored king Vukašin not to drink and drive troops into Turkish trap in the same time.... see you, too bad Turks do not play much OG and similar subject games that much, but let's hope we'll get some members from there... do not be discouraged by my language and jokes. and normal life - hope you all remember heroes like me taking it in our body for humanity.... ; and is pleasant looking -) .... pro-Erdogan papers, no idea why I read it, because I wan't to get picture about situation probably, but all English editions are now in same line. Back to lady Merve's text, second part of her text compares mister Erdogan with 3 sultans. Lets see their names and dates in relation to our history: a) Selim I - not so important name to us, as we have been alrady conquered... don't know much about crimes against our population ; b) Abdulhamid II - the one who signed our independence after 74 years of struggle, no trouble. He also disliked "San Stefano" Bulgaria as our politicians of the time... c) Mahmud II - some say he recieved Kara George's head BUT the one who gave autonomy to Miloš and Serbia and signed it in 1830, no trouble... also disliked janissaries as well as our politicians of the time... .... ultimately, if other tendencies win in that country political circles and it comes to that moment when they will have to conquer us again and one of the usual death penalty used in region (Turks did not use it much in Serbia compared to other places, btw) is about to be re-established my only hope is that they will be gentle but do not forget Kemalist general Ömer Halis Bıyıktay who put some light on 1402 Ankara battle events and is great source for us, so I disagree... but she said "last centuries in particular", so she didn't mean they rewrote that, i guess. "black knights" and "gazi" story is true, hopefully. Great for movie and Stambol cinemas as i see it....The historians say that the Kemalist elite of the new republic erased Ottoman history and effectively silenced the Ottoman historiography, almost rewriting it, particularly the last centuries of the empire.
best wishes from neighbor in further developments.... i'll pause (another reminder to look at "translations" thread if you can help, welcome) just ideals - but i want to finish here with 2 photos from our last war with "Turkey"... about our delusions and why people died and crippled themselves. Look i'm all for doing things right, i'm all for cultural heritage (too bad most beautiful of all monuments, Dušan's unique church, did not survive turbulent times), i'm all for inter cultural cooperation and all that, but two photos by foreign journalists (French, British etc) following our troops during first Balkan war.... first our troops entering Skop(l)je, North Macedonia now, once our "empire capital". On faces of our officers in first line one can see there was no flower throwing, enthusiasm and crowds greeting liberators on streets Self explanatory photo... second is from Prizren, also town Dušan liked and have chosen as final resting place, which didn't survive but we found precious bones of him, luckily for historical science. Also self explanatory, nationality of very poor people is not written on their forehead, but hardly they lived great under previous empire and even more hardly they were ready to throw flowers to our soldiers marching by (only some of them are free, mind that but there will be new growing up...) ...i'm finished but had to use these photos i like the most from first BW and last with "Turks". good luck to us all, again tired and sleepy after second dose - but think tired optimism is real... and we all have solid relations even now. I'm over with forcing Turkey around, but might continue with posting historical photos in new thread... it is safe to say that all my subjects did not attract new members, but hope all is interesting to read and someone might come about... at times I opened my heart as well, no false flattery bye.
i can go into details but we are "lonely" here and do not want to insist if you understand...I mostly finished the subject but this is my big interest as "neighbour", and reading Greek press today as they prepare to mark 200 years since their revolution, there was article about who will attend celebration, who will not... Macron will come, Putin will not, Charles of England maybe etc. ) feel sorry for Greeks round year in bad times - hope our ruler will come, if invited at all Ideally would be nice Turkish president to be there, but I hope he sends his "letter" at least as he did to us 2 weeks ago calling us "friendly people"... situation is not great in the wolrd due to pandemic and geopolitics and even less great in your region of "Levant" so Greeks are celebrating this round number in such situation... .... don't mind my memories and looking back at it with humor, congrats to all and hope we - in situation when future looks very uncertain - all, plus Bulgarians, will once look at it relaxed and with lots of Turkish wives around us ;
listening great pops and all. Generally some things crystalized and (as always had doubts) I'm starting to definitely doubt that my old "countryman" (via father line) Stefan would break 3 times through Timur's best and get an arrow in arm at Ankara to try to save a man who allegedly ordered "his father's head choped off" many other things, not fruitless, most seriously. Who want's some details from me in serious tone, look at "translations", maybe you catch something interesting without changing history and many crimes that happened through turbulent times, to humans and Dušan's bones/church as well ; ... but we on both sides get over it more than once and there was a row of blood, a row of love, a row of respect and in 1913 we became allies, till today. Short Serbo-Osmano-Turk history, briefly to be understood. 
