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Useful Math Concepts

Post by HexCode » 2021-01-29 23:20, Friday

Ok, let's inaugurate this topic's 6th page ! :yes

Euclidean... Sadness

- Tangent lines have just one chance to meet and are then parted forever.
- Parallel lines are never meant to meet.
- Asymptotes get ever closer, but no cigar.

Algebraic... Greed

- Progressions

Applied Math... Ingenuity

- Triangulations

Number Theory... Promiscuity

- Hopping from one prime number onto the next one, hoping to come across the biggest of them all.

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-01-30 00:17, Saturday

yeah maths, numbers, exact science... can lead to some great discoveries for us from "social branches" (like history) :yes In fact i'm into numbers lately (about genetic studies) and having a lot of fun and getting some understanding about migrations, national narratives and similar, writing up late today... i'll give complete picture from wiki about whole continent, in link who wants to look:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Europe.png

i find it fascinating to notice that Serbia is only country in greater region from "Turkey to Hungary" with Finish-Estonian dominant "N haplo, beside Turkey and (less than both) Greece :) even Hungary doesn't have it in mentionable percent... great findings generally...

you know why I wrote whole "Turkish girl" story and all, things i really believe in.... I looked (first time in life) in comments on those pop songs and found so many hearts and positive comments from Turkish users but much more prejudice and "Serbs are Gypsy, orientalists and their music is like etc" from Croat and Bosnian/Bosniak users (but not many, not to think all are like).... one could say it's because of recent wars and politics and it is in both ways maybe (but we rarely say "Croat is Gypsy" and similar), but i think it is deeper and starts in XIX century, sadly it was matrix about Serbs. Well that's why i wrote about love story with Turkish girls, beside fact that i like them ; felt obliged to clear that to you and all readers :) ... since you used "culturally backwarded Turk" expression, i intentionally wrote my stories to show that Turkey is where one will find love more likely than in "neighbourhood" :) hope that's clear now, i'm not shy to explain that, it wasn't personal...

....anyhow, my recomendation is looking eventually at map and finding some either funny, unexpected or just interesting details about European nations, like "N" thing i digged now - it's science, not racism - i for example like way we are "mixed" )

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Multitasking

Post by HexCode » 2021-01-30 09:16, Saturday

Elsewhere in the "Pub":
Still clinging to the old notion that women don't use their heads?
Oh, but they do... multitask ! :clap ;)

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Border Controls

Post by HexCode » 2021-01-30 19:27, Saturday

GUY - Young & demonically... attractive. :yes
GIRL - Cheeky, perky and so on. :yes

GIRL: C'mon, let me in handsome...
GUY: What d'you want ?
GIRL: You, of course.
GUY: Hey, there're new realities around here, y'know. Got your passport there ?
GIRL: Don't need one.
GUY: That's where you're wrong. C'mon show me something.
GIRL: Oh, I've got plenty to show you.
GUY: Ok, mind you though, I need to stamp something...
GIRL: That's the whole idea you irresistible border control hunk, you...
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Syllogisms

Post by HexCode » 2021-02-01 03:01, Monday

Sooner or later, all cats are being let out of the bag.
Incompetent humans cannot find their way out of a wet paper bag.


THEREFORE:

Cats hate water.
Cats sneer at humans.
Incompetence craves dryness
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AND

Husbands must be bagged.
Grocery shopping should be undertaken only when it rains.
When bespectacled, lionesses are way smarter than Trotskyite intellectuals.

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Re: Why Not ?

Post by lvjtn » 2021-02-01 08:32, Monday

HexCode wrote:
2021-01-29 18:46, Friday
Ok, given the recent, unilaterally proclaimed "posting race", it's in the practical interest of "Open Mike" to invite as many posts as possible, right ? :doh
i sincerely ask everybody posting here to not start a spam war. okay, it's the pub, the rules about offtopic posting are less restrictive here, but please, keep some quality level of the posts what they had on the first 5 pages
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Future Serenity & Tranquility

Post by HexCode » 2021-02-01 10:50, Monday

lvjtn wrote:
2021-02-01 08:32, Monday
i sincerely ask everybody posting here to not start a spam war
No chance of such a thing ever happening. Just look who's "around" and, most importantly, who isn't...
lvjtn wrote:
2021-02-01 08:32, Monday
keep some quality level of the posts what they had on the first 5 pages
I'd imagine that the above is a back-handed compliment to "Open Mike's" past participants. Personally, I'll take it. :gracias

So, world fear not. "Future nothingness" shall be both serene and tranquil to the extreme and, hopefully, eminently satisfying to all virtual passersby; :ihope devoid of even a smidge of "strange" humor, of course ! :phew

All unilateral "experiments" eventually come to an end. Back to PGF's technical "sandbox" now ! Live long and... keep on wargaming ! :ihope

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-03 10:21, Wednesday

so after full year in which corona related and pandemic posts dominated in "mike", fresh news is i got vaccinated today. with Chinese one, lets hope for the best. I did sign a paper in which is said i delegate my fate to Sinofarm hands... i was with a group, we had our term today. they say that American vaccine will be available from next few days :p (do not follow topics that much) Anyway, Chinese are serious scientists (i hope) and hint is - it doesn't hurt :)

20 days more - for second shot, if alive - and Turkey i'm clean of that calamity too ) good luck... if you do not see me, well ..... :)

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Wonderdoctor » 2021-02-03 14:06, Wednesday

Ale wrote:
2021-02-03 10:21, Wednesday
so after full year in which corona related and pandemic posts dominated in "mike", fresh news is i got vaccinated today. with Chinese one, lets hope for the best. I did sign a paper in which is said i delegate my fate to Sinofarm hands... i was with a group, we had our term today. they say that American vaccine will be available from next few days :p (do not follow topics that much) Anyway, Chinese are serious scientists (i hope) and hint is - it doesn't hurt :)

20 days more - for second shot, if alive - and Turkey i'm clean of that calamity too ) good luck... if you do not see me, well ..... :)
All the best! Keep us updated.
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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-08 17:19, Monday

nothing spectacular on health plan, who knows what's inside beside - as declared by Sinopharm - inactive (dead) SARS and cov2 bodies :) anyway you'll understand "my thread with pics" (some time ago) wasn't needed that much and i'm too casual to maintain it, so i'll use this place for everything (or almost anything)... that's intent. (if pictures are disliked here, just say) Thematically it is related to my recent activity in this thread...

found this 1910 front page of British weekly, catched my attention in many ways and is interesting to read. First of all can't imagine today if our president/ruler or anyone visiting Stambol and that to be on front page in England or any bigger country :) Second it was six day visit, people of Stambol waved and greeted our king, also noticed enthusiastic waving of flag behing by Turk (was he Ottoman in fact)) guard soldier etc. etc. Many unbelievable details from today perspective but it was like it...

final thought, yes there was war 2 years later - last one between Serbia and "Turkey" in history (for now)) second one we were "allies" :) and ww1 was technicality without any combat between two - because we had to "get old Ras back home" :) but looking at story must say glad that in such last war operations ended fast and Turks both in Macedonia and Edirne didn't suffer much if/when captured (by our soldiers)... my thoughts aside, great UK front page and interesting to look at, sometimes "modern people" indeed should learn at least a bit from both medieval and XIX/early XX century relations, even when they were bad in times...

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-09 17:25, Tuesday

it's OK then :yes you just say and I change thread or open new one... like funny pics, or unoffensive political satire on president Erdogan (great friend) and relations in "region" - maybe I'll post something eventually later (or never)). Word is enough and I go to my thread, most seriously, same to moderators....

for now though, here's just poster for "Black knight/white angel" film, my work :) .... not sure if it's Turkish or Azeri dress (would fit in XV century and is very beautiful equally)...

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-10 13:14, Wednesday

...difference is when I say "region" I mean traditional Balkan one (from Turkey to Hungary) but when political Turk say "region" (esp. Anatolia based) for them it means also Caucasus, Middle east etc. being more than 10x bigger country and with only small part on Balkan, Rumelia. ;)

we as a country I'd say do not have luxury nor need to launch stories about great historical battles with Turks (although there were some big ones), being outside of any alliances and unions, as is now, and to pretend how "Turks enemy" ) Since we have love stories and also military cooperation between those battles, also unlike many others bigger genetic material sharing with Turks but also cultural (I'm always surprised how many our words and dishes Turks use)) not to mention wolves :) it is obvious that such is our stronger point and something to exploit... if great film about Ankara battle with some love stories inside and twist about our knights being "sexy" in film, instead of Kosovo battle was made in the 80s, probably we would be in much better situation as country today, guess... so the time will come to do that and one of the results will be beutiful new "race", Serbo-Turk :) Turks wouldn't even notice if less than 3 million Serbia males all marry Turkish girls :lol

jokes which are true and no joke in fact aside (because it will be like that) i'll not post many satirical material (unless somebody joins forum to laugh about) but want to add this photo (great one who ever made it) which raised a lot of "memes" and laughs due to its compositon :) I put it only without any words as funny photo and who doesn't understand in background is Greek guardist in traditional clothes (during official visit, I guess). So, because this is most interesting relations today in "region" (Balkan) but there is no explosivity there and will be alright, so lets just laugh about photo, it will solve... ) (no more from me on that for now)

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-11 15:19, Thursday

ahem, to add... to understand world and especially some of its particularities and "regionalities" you really have to have deep knowledge of menatlity and history. That's why I'll rarely write about Sweden for example let alone some more distant parts. of course one should never generalise as wherever you look people are different and under diverse influences, but some sort of mentality can be "generic" even in humoristic way...

i don't dare to claim knowledge about Turk mentality, country being "huge" and diverse, hence i laughed about missing some points while writting about Turk romantic sentiment (but I sense pure love there))... But at this place and moment to get back to something I already talked about... international poll and "experiment" showed that Greeks are one of the most "proud" nations, if not on top. (in some self-image way) Mine experience and interaction with them (without being some traveller but been there from north to southern tip) is of similar conclusion and they, even when quiet, "record" everything around and sometimes react accordingly when you do not expect, pay you back :) Remember when i intentionally joked one Greek on historical subjects, laugh and alright until something came out of him and he said (needlesly) "you didn't even know to write before we taught you" :lol (in early middle ages, his idea) ...every tribe and nation is different in some way in that sense, even if geographically close.... we for example have some greatness "meme" (meaning something that repeats historically in uneven frequencies) but (in Scythian tradition) somehow know inside that nobody thinks really great about us and that we "make impact, short lived empire and go fight among ourselves or change location", do not create long lasting civilisations and have that auto-satirical element of nomads with desire to be seen more favorable in some heads.... ;) .... i think Stefan, "black knight", story shows that very well on historical example with helping Turks, helping Sigi and in the end you get nowhere, evaluating "self/tribal/country-interest" :) BUT great Anatolian toponym stayed there for long, great legacy of Stefan and how Turks loved him.... ;

as noted, no generalisations and with dose of humor.... that's why I, in both threads where I was most active (other being medieval "translations"), dared to look deeper into some sources, trying to catch when Greek medieval writter was "offended" for example, when he "admired" Serb army, when Turk wrote something out of "respect for strong enemy", when his words were missunderstood in sources etc. etc. i always have time and will to add something and entertain distant reader i.e. explain some posts, but eventually i'll have to go out of this subject and find another topic... bye and ciao ) play the game, but rarely now.

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-12 12:52, Friday

besides.... i did go a bit "political" though i claimed that i dislike political talks :) i think my recent posts are more cultural and personal than political, no joke :)

can't get "Turkey" out of my head, to add another thought and something more closer to today times than Stefan ; (if king Peter wasn't close enough) ...great "poker player" and (successful) political "board game player", Miloš Obrenović... with his "Turkish turban" (on some pics) and awareness that Turks would rather see that head on stick, he reached some "thunderstruck" moment in time and managed to liberate "country" almost without much blood in almost surgical precission operations, unlike (hero) Kara George :) Turks liked him (some say he also liked Turkish women)) and was alright guest afterwards in Stambol.... yeah, he was authoritarian, corrupt but that's another part, my point is about "Turkey and us" other part is about us and unability to reach "normal government" inside ; (Turks didn't influence that)

i don't know, writting probably for regional public, but also why not here in moment we have to use chance to revaluate our concept of Turkey, dig in any mental "war axes" in ground and strengthen personal ties, finally give them love they want as nation :)
Although we do not have a common border, we see Serbia as a neighbour
...said one Turkish official from Abdullah Gül administration during visit some years ago.... some claim that Gül and people around him were "founders" of "neo-Ottoman" idea, but do not worry Bulgaria :lol jokes aside, we as a country should give them more time and patience to express themselves and we would see that they do not mean no harm as people and country... we can look at past and learn from good examples. Particular politicians will come and go, but it is for us (ready to sign that whenever) biological/emotional relationship (is there any other country where all females are called "Turkey" out of pure love) and more culturaly close "gold mine" in future :yes

unprovoked but insipred by some Hex' words, suddenly felt huge urge to write it all.... but lets finish now. no "anti" for Turkey and great support for their (big) similar minded part and youth. Cant believe how i matured on that issue :) any interaction with new members from there welcome, all others do not mind my chance to say here... ;

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-15 19:11, Monday

so, these days we are celebrating national day (it concides with "Valentine day" + few days, because we are important) related to Kara George's uprising in 1804 and some other law documents later in history... Greeks wouldn't accept but we were first, though Greeks are right that they de jure were first independent :) (alright we were first just because our rebels had luxury to cross border and arm in Habsburg lands not because we are greatest heroes))

of course in modern world more than ever "independence" seems as increasingly unsustainable concept/ideal/idea :) when you add negative social-biological tendencies, weak to non-existant geopolitical situation/position, lot's of uncertainities regarding future, you get idea even more... but I always remember events and people who died for ideals or out of heroism.

on top of all troubles do I need to read articles and reader's comments in Greek and Turkish online editions, while trying to get out of crisis and trying mating with Turkey :) .... in this "holy-days" I'm thinking that all those parts of much bigger (numerically humanoid above all) need "Black knight" film more than ever and whole Stefan life story :) defeated to see how many Greeks comment about "they didn't consider us human" and how many Turks comment "they wanted us all exterminated" while in reality Greeks and Serbs used Turks (and Turkopiles) in armies prior to annexation, we both mated with them, sultan from my film was "half/quarter Greek" as well Evrenos one of the commanders behind "Sirpsindigi" events, we both helped them defeat us and annex us etc. etc. ) re-read history....

once again, might be fool but really believe in friendship among (it was once called in Greek) Balkan (Rumelia) and Anatolia (Asia minor) people and that we are great mutual love material.... of course you can call me a fool as well. But I'll finish subject on this day of celebration of fight turned (or will turn) into friendship ) ...next time you see me i'll probably return to happier Scythia times with new and exciting findings ;) Reading comments on both sides (not numerous but still...) really bit of calm and hope from me, it's holiday all 3 of us like which didn't separate us forever...

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-18 14:46, Thursday

i'm sorry if "ruining" Hex' "different kind of thread" ) (but "open", understood) but a bit more fun and picture, before I go... ;

i didn't know much, but looking for some other things previous days, i've seen that (as it was probably case in comment by some youtube user on our song above) some "memes" like "Serbs look like Turks" were around internet for some time, pairing Turk rural people and some Serb rural people on pics for fun and probably laugh only... in that sense - without intention to "feed the debate" :) - unrelated I also independently found this picture of some Iranian rural folks (from some tribe unknown to me, they have many tribes...).... let me look, what that mister has on his head.... uhmm.. :lol (from this angle looks like some "traditional" Serb hat, hence joke btw)

it's all light spirited, but in serious tone it is not some joke at all, considering ancient history and that Iranic origin might be very realistic, but for Croats also ; I talked extensively about it already and one interesting detail from experts on Old Persian/Iranic languages says that in some ancient times it was common for -SR letter combo to change to -HR combo in talk and written script in old Iranic dialects, making it double interesting about possible same origin of Hrv and Srb tribe. That's one aspect other is - as one can see on map few posts above, based on genetic/DNA analisys - Serbs today in concrete have less dominant Slavic R1a haplogroup than, for example modern Hungarians, Romanians etc.... so one can laugh as much as wants in some "memes" (and it is funny) but there is part of scientific truth and chance behind it all (plus living among Turkic people for long before migration).... since old Slavs considered Scyths-Sarmatians (by some sources, but also Greeks and Romans in a way) "tribe of giants" and we have enough sources to confirm that many our medieval nobility was unusually tall (crowned with incredible height of emperor Dušan) it also adds to possibility of sources/origin being true...

nonetheless we are sexy and smart as Turks and Iranians are, so no offense for the jokes :) (having genteical diversity by research) don't know about Croats as they claim that they are Goths... or Gog and Magog, I forgot .... :) picture for fun, do talk anything if you wish....

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-19 12:15, Friday

free today (but attending some birthday later) and since I mentioned it, here is only short paragraph from otherwise long works by modern German scientists from Jena, town... only about language, not about tribes but interesting in our tribal way:
Elsewhere in Iranian, however, the evidence points to a development *sr > hr inall contexts rather than *sr > *θr, and thus we can easily assume that *tansra-yielded tanhra- > *tãhra- > *tahra- which then developed quite parallel to *hazah-ra- ‘thousand’ > MP, Parthian hz’r, Sogd. z’r, Khot. ysāru etc. For initial position,compare the following cases: 1)*srautah- > *hrautah- > OP rauta ‘river’ > MP, Parth. rwd, Sogd. rwt, NP rōd. 2)*sraxwa- > *hraxwa- ‘corner of mouth?’ (= OIA srákva-) > Armenian LW erax‘mouth’, Persian rox, Pashto rāx/-rxo ‘cheek’, Bal. rakk ‘lip’ (cf. pakkag ‘ripe’ <*paxwaka). 3)*sraba- > *hraba- > Pashto raw-, Shughni rāv- ‘to suck’ ... < IE *srebʰ- ‘to sip,to slurp’
not expert on issue and many things are above my knowledge, but super interesting theories... we are talking "lingustical events" dating to some periods centuries BC in general. Might be true and Serbs and Croats might be living example in today world of such hypothesis (as tribe names)... interestingly enough one unrelated work by "Czech or Saxon Serb" scientist from days when sceince wasn't as advanced and not knowing all this about Iranic languages (some XIX or early XX c, I forgot and not important to check now) proposed that Serb derive name from some (he imagined it as Slavic word) "to sip or to suck, slurp etc." - funny enough it is mentioned in some form in this work... However, most likely Serb(v)s and Cr(v)oats do not have Slavic word in basis of tribe name, but proto-Indo-Iranian-European related to "serve, protect", my and some others proposition based on Serb migrations and being often in service of others, confirmed by geographical mentioning and positions through centuries (already talked about...) It is not exact science, just propositions with very reliable percent of chance which objective people in range from England to Germany and Russia alike mentioned in their works, making our ancestors "super cool" :)

considering exact science, modern DNA researches were helpful for us combined with old theories show that there is something unusual in our tribes, but didn't change anything about Serbo-Croat being properly classified as Slavic, what it is... genetically we are (as Bulgarians) not so Slavic, but it doesn't change our ties with Russia/Turkey/Sweden etc. and science is not political tool. so yes, linguistically we are "Slavic" as well as Hungarians today are "Uralic" (or whatever their scientist classify their language as...) but we both are not genetically either of that in most part of today population :)

in short - we are of Scythian/Iranic origin (not to be mixed with Persia with whome we had wars)), to many foreigners we are looking like Turks, with more Albano-Greek genetic material today than Polish-Slavic, but very Slavic and "brothers of Russians", "Swedish lost relatives" ........ makes sense :lol some science should be approached with open mind and accepted. Ready to say - while many do not understand - that we (and Croats) have the most proof (except some Caucasian, Iranian, Anatolian etc. tribes) by sources of all European nations to accept at least part of Iranic ancestry....

regarding Turkey and Turks - it is cultural (in some percent genetical too) thing and obviously, despite historical wars, one do not mimic those they hate passionately ;) (as we mimic-ed Turks in some language forms, dishes and musical expressions...) Finally - talked with some males I know and generally Serbs do have sexual attraction to Turk females, Arabic, Iranian and their "moves" (even if not talked openly), which is good thing for future....

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-21 21:13, Sunday

...small paragraph from Turkish online press today, by respected mister Turkish journalist, mister Aktaş - unimprtant name but to name source out of nicety )
Although some call it the age of space, the present age is still unnamed. According to Western political thought, the economic development of countries will conclude with unprecedented prosperity and peace around the world.

The highest rates of suicides, however, belong to those countries that are economically most developed. During the coronavirus pandemic, Western developed countries performed poorly. etc. etc.
grim and bad subject per se and while I like any "philosophy" in political comment, I checked details by international organizations... maybe mister aimed at fact that "Europe is region with most suicides" while something we traditionally called Levant fares very good in such sad statistic. Hats off, Turkey in that sense, from a country not in top but with much higher rate per 100,000 than you, dear...

however details show that top of sad list doesn't belong to "most economically developed countries" and is mixed in its unfortunate way, with many African having higher rates than amny European etc. Sadly, top in Europe belongs to mostly ex-Soviet countries (which is sad because they are our "relatives") while most developed having significantly smaller (at least officially)... and there is no rough line there, so countries of all kind are higher or lower generally...

something I noticed, minor and sad subject... recommend ex-Soviets more Turkish pop songs in life. In any way - no idea why I posted this here, just to say "hello" today but anyone likes anything should join - wish Turkey reaching our homicide levels and us reaching Turkish suicide level for start -) (generally we are both not drastic in those bad statistics in both cases and we will help each other personally and culturally to achieve even better....ultimately I'll stop mentioning your country i like once, like "statistics and philosophy", welcome very much country is pearl)

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-23 13:18, Tuesday

today something else....

regarding my several times used joke about "turkey" being term for female out of affection here because Turk miladies made impression through centuries on us... it is good one, but joke. Based on Turkish pronounce of "türki-" which transformed into our (similar sounding) "ćurk-i-a" :) first letter being specific for us and sounds similar to Turkish "tü-" combo... in reality exact origin of word in our language is unknown, some even say it is onomatopoiec word, some related to "kurka" in many languages with some Serb pronouncement mutation etc. Of unknown time of starting its usage here... But it is sweet joke, isn't it, plus I'm 100% sure that Turk girls/females did look both sexy and exotic/colourful starting from XIV century compared to our, relatively conservative and uniformed, females back in those days... one of the reasons why my "fictional" black knight in story run into several troubles and even confrontations with own countrymen regarding fate of Turkish girls in story and ready to draw a sword for her... :)

as it's mostly used now for "shallow" woman - but not necessary offensive like horse or pig isn't for man in talk - last thing I wanted is joke to be misunderstood ; ...you, Turk miladies, are actually our future and it's best idea on this planet... )

that cleared as joke - and not scientific linguistical detail from me - here is some "Osmanlian" press database in beta form, not useful to me https://beta.wikilala.com/Home due to language but it may grow and include other languages, but doubt... no chance to find anything medieval there as it is prints, but one could potentionally find something interesting for our history in XIX century once it is over... more details in "translations" thread about my interests, but after learning Stefan Lazarević role in Osman-Turk history, not only Ankara but also Çamurlu battle etc, as I said on start of this thread it is even more interesting having father's family line from around city of his birth.... but maybe I'm Turk? :)

anything combining "wiki" prefix and Turkish subject extension makes me nervous - as I presented few posts above in link where Turkish "wikibooks" article showed that we are not recognized as country by republic of Turkey :) (now called Ottoman empire). "Lala" is, btw, their old word for "tutor" or "teacher", like one Lala Sahin Pasha (more info in "translations" thread as well) who surely tutored king Vukašin not to drink and drive troops into Turkish trap in the same time.... :lol see you, too bad Turks do not play much OG and similar subject games that much, but let's hope we'll get some members from there... do not be discouraged by my language and jokes.

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-23 22:41, Tuesday

last one for now, but i'm interested.... tomorrow morning I'm getting Sinopharm revaccinated, btw. Had no complications except sleepy feelings first week or less... but it's not over yet and i might die.... once the "corona-crisis" is over and at least 30% of population in all countries is vaccinated and you all can go to your orgies :) and normal life - hope you all remember heroes like me taking it in our body for humanity.... ;

https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/colu ... sons-facts

lady Merve is my fav writter on "Sabah", she likes history obviously :) and is pleasant looking -) .... pro-Erdogan papers, no idea why I read it, because I wan't to get picture about situation probably, but all English editions are now in same line. Back to lady Merve's text, second part of her text compares mister Erdogan with 3 sultans. Lets see their names and dates in relation to our history: a) Selim I - not so important name to us, as we have been alrady conquered... don't know much about crimes against our population ; b) Abdulhamid II - the one who signed our independence after 74 years of struggle, no trouble. He also disliked "San Stefano" Bulgaria as our politicians of the time... :) c) Mahmud II - some say he recieved Kara George's head BUT the one who gave autonomy to Miloš and Serbia and signed it in 1830, no trouble... also disliked janissaries as well as our politicians of the time...

all in all, not so bad camparison to us, doesn't hurt much and is "favorable" to our state, dear Merve. (their papers don't have comment section)) Waiting further texts from her.... i have different vision of Turkey, but it is as it is and wish Merve the best... :) .... ultimately, if other tendencies win in that country political circles and it comes to that moment when they will have to conquer us again and one of the usual death penalty used in region (Turks did not use it much in Serbia compared to other places, btw) is about to be re-established my only hope is that they will be gentle :lol

also this interesting line from milady Merve:
The historians say that the Kemalist elite of the new republic erased Ottoman history and effectively silenced the Ottoman historiography, almost rewriting it, particularly the last centuries of the empire.
but do not forget Kemalist general Ömer Halis Bıyıktay who put some light on 1402 Ankara battle events and is great source for us, so I disagree... but she said "last centuries in particular", so she didn't mean they rewrote that, i guess. "black knights" and "gazi" story is true, hopefully. Great for movie and Stambol cinemas as i see it....


so - lots of humor, some satire, some interest and some seriousness with many good idea and mutual promotion, mostly out of desire to share my new impressions... hope Turks get interested in older things as well and help our historians a bit more. Politics and Turkey's position with many diverse neighbours and strong religious backing is as is... we are, by size and social tendencies, more in struggle for survival. do not mind my many posts related to your country (I care about you) and do join, though I think "Black knight" film is not gonna sell well in Turkey for now :) best wishes from neighbor in further developments.... i'll pause (another reminder to look at "translations" thread if you can help, welcome)

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-02-24 11:24, Wednesday

... talking to medical staff it seems like whole vaccine was a joke... it is questionable is any country will rate it high and I'm not gonna do tests after I was double dosed ("for nothing"), but foreign travel aside also nobody really knows how efficient it is... honestly dear, i don't give a damn about anything anymore. World is a farse, becoming increasingly elitist at places, authoritarian in other places and entrenched in various "interests" and animosities, like ever... Vaccine - which i "had" to take as it was my duty - is just small symbol of all the farse and mess world is... -)

i like historical photography, already said that in another thread (in that sense i'll not use this one for that much) and want to finish whole subject for long. Subject in which I mentioned Turkey so many times - as Hex said all that is never gonna happen :) just ideals - but i want to finish here with 2 photos from our last war with "Turkey"... about our delusions and why people died and crippled themselves. Look i'm all for doing things right, i'm all for cultural heritage (too bad most beautiful of all monuments, Dušan's unique church, did not survive turbulent times), i'm all for inter cultural cooperation and all that, but two photos by foreign journalists (French, British etc) following our troops during first Balkan war.... first our troops entering Skop(l)je, North Macedonia now, once our "empire capital". On faces of our officers in first line one can see there was no flower throwing, enthusiasm and crowds greeting liberators on streets :) Self explanatory photo... second is from Prizren, also town Dušan liked and have chosen as final resting place, which didn't survive but we found precious bones of him, luckily for historical science. Also self explanatory, nationality of very poor people is not written on their forehead, but hardly they lived great under previous empire :) and even more hardly they were ready to throw flowers to our soldiers marching by :)

maybe feeling down and tired now, but it's important to be objective in historical themes. nonetheless, Turkey will be great for us, sincere hope and medieval cooperation movies for example, like "sexy black knights" story as another example, could potentially beat any other story if properly written and directed in "hollywood style" but with more drama.... and did I mention some 50 millions of females before? :) (only some of them are free, mind that but there will be new growing up...) ...i'm finished but had to use these photos i like the most from first BW and last with "Turks". good luck to us all, again tired and sleepy after second dose - but think tired optimism is real... and we all have solid relations even now. I'm over with forcing Turkey around, but might continue with posting historical photos in new thread... it is safe to say that all my subjects did not attract new members, but hope all is interesting to read and someone might come about... at times I opened my heart as well, no false flattery :) bye.

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Practical... Misanthropy

Post by HexCode » 2021-02-24 16:21, Wednesday

Ok, very exceptionally...

One of history's lessons is that... anthropology holds the key to understanding human collectivities. Tribes become nation-states. Nation-states mutate into imperial societies. Imperial societies eventually disintegrate. What else is new ?

Elites come and go, but, pick any moment in time, no matter, some particular elites will be "around"; ditto for entrenched interests and collective animosities...

Practical... misanthropy isn't... murderous, far from it. It just "advises" (especially young) people to "make good use" of their private parts to exhaustion and not pay attention to this or that cultural or civilizational drumbeat (i.e., give the Zeitgeist the... middle finger). :)

Now, a Balkan example of collective identity "sentiments". When the Third Reich attacked the Greek forces defending a chain of forts, the "Bulgarians" were just... watching. The Yugoslav army core defending their positions to the immediate west of the "Greeks" was "stabbed in the back" by "Macedonians" who murdered many "Serb" officers, surrendered and thereby allowed the Third Reich forces to flank the "Greeks". At that time, "Macedonians" felt "Bulgarian". Later on. "Macedonians" rejected "Bulgarianism" and embraced "Macedonianism" (I don't know about "Titoism"). They even embraced... Alexander the Great. As for the "Albanian" minority around Tetovo, oh well...

Bottom line: human collectivities are generators of practical, every day conveniences, lots of nastiness and the occasional happy-go-lucky interlude. As for war and peace, there's always Tolstoy's epilogue... :2cents

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-03-03 12:22, Wednesday

appreciate opinion and words Hex :yes i can go into details but we are "lonely" here and do not want to insist if you understand...I mostly finished the subject but this is my big interest as "neighbour", and reading Greek press today as they prepare to mark 200 years since their revolution, there was article about who will attend celebration, who will not... Macron will come, Putin will not, Charles of England maybe etc. ) feel sorry for Greeks round year in bad times - hope our ruler will come, if invited at all :) Ideally would be nice Turkish president to be there, but I hope he sends his "letter" at least as he did to us 2 weeks ago calling us "friendly people"... situation is not great in the wolrd due to pandemic and geopolitics and even less great in your region of "Levant" so Greeks are celebrating this round number in such situation...

i remebered me attending some events and exhibits in 2015 marking 200 years since "elegant" Miloš uprising which brought no independence but autonomy and mostly finished big battles forever. No guests, no pompous markings, nothing... One of my photos with picture on building with exhibit back then. Big letters represent legendary Miloš speach at start of uprising: "Here I am, here you are." Words "war to the Turks" with which he finished short but effective speach were not added.... some say he actually said "love to the Turks!" :) .... don't mind my memories and looking back at it with humor, congrats to all and hope we - in situation when future looks very uncertain - all, plus Bulgarians, will once look at it relaxed and with lots of Turkish wives around us ;

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Withdrawal From... "Loneliness"

Post by HexCode » 2021-03-03 14:43, Wednesday

I can only speak for myself here, of course. Empirical evidence points to this topic's "loneliness" in spades; hence, my belated withdrawal from circulation and fruitful return to PGF's technical territory...

Once again, my favorite, relevant passage:

A 19th century, Continental European professor gave one more fiery lecture in an empty university auditorium. Some said he mistook the silence of the non-existent audience to have been an unmistakable sign of a lecturer's triumph which had left the students speechless. Others speculated that the professor was, indeed, extremely happy orating in deserted auditoria...

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Re: Open Mike

Post by Ale » 2021-03-03 21:16, Wednesday

yes, you are pardoned, may retreat to own quarters and works, good luck.... regarding last post I'm not accepting any ideas and jokes that Miloš looks like Turk on that photo, nope.

as i said before, and that should be one of notions here, said prior to "black knight" mini-series - while some of my sentiments are old - it wasn't fruitless as subject and i've learned a lot in past month or so, priceless things historically I'd probably not know, like that manual from 1888 or how "big" and "sexy" we were in middle ages ; ... and i'm reading "Sabah" as well :lol listening great pops and all. Generally some things crystalized and (as always had doubts) I'm starting to definitely doubt that my old "countryman" (via father line) Stefan would break 3 times through Timur's best and get an arrow in arm at Ankara to try to save a man who allegedly ordered "his father's head choped off" :) many other things, not fruitless, most seriously. Who want's some details from me in serious tone, look at "translations", maybe you catch something interesting without changing history and many crimes that happened through turbulent times, to humans and Dušan's bones/church as well ; ... but we on both sides get over it more than once and there was a row of blood, a row of love, a row of respect and in 1913 we became allies, till today. Short Serbo-Osmano-Turk history, briefly to be understood. :)

small course on having a laugh with Turkish girl, for our language users though ) ...they have problems to say words like "ljubav" (love) and any other with letters "lj", "nj" and combos of some letters i forgot... ; give it a try with mentioned word, if true but they have many dialects, if it fails to produce laugh and trouble.... ; wish i am younger, but i'm not that old, hopefully.

wasn't fruitless, no joke. As for "memes" and jokes, but also serious comments from some papers i reserve right to come back here to post, without public or not, see you. I hope Turkey and us enter west (-ern Balkans) together. We are already on the east and stay there forever even after enterance... historically we were greater pals than you think. (and look-alikes)

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