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Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-06 05:50, Friday

:howdy greetings generals and welcome to my playtest of:

Forward, comrade !
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@ "Hold Victory Hexes" condition
To avoid confusion, i will write results of scenarios with "Hold VH" Victory Condition as "[held total] of [required (for a BV)] VHs".
Examples:
held 3 of 3 VHs = i held all of the required VHs and achieved BV.
held 7 of 4 VHs = i held not only the 4 VHs required for a BV, but also 3 additional ones.
If i held less than the number of VHs required for a BV, i will add the actual victory type, example: TV, held 1 of 4 VHs.




OpenGen 0.93.3.99.RC6 * 4 Mar 2020 * AI version: Default (0.91)
Efile folder: C:\Games 1 OpenGen\efile_atomic\ * Efile version: ATOMIC EFILE Version: 29th February 2020
Campaign: 1939-45 FORWARD, COMRADE!, * Player prestige modifier 50% * AI prestige modifier 100%




Played Scenarios:
1 Battle at the Chalchin Gol , #0 , Brilliant Victory , score:64 +++ Proto: KV-1/40
2 Battle of Suomussalmi ....., #1 , Brilliant Victory , score:65 +++ Proto: BM-8-24
3 Pocket of Minsk ............., #2 , Brilliant Victory , score:65
4 Defense of Kishinev ........, #3 , Brilliant Victory , score:65 ---- 57mm M1941
5 Battle of Odessa ............, #4 , Brilliant Victory , score:68 +++ Proto: LaGG-3
6 Pocket of Kiew .............., #5 , Brilliant Victory , score:65 ---- Politsiya
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Campaign score: 392 * Average: 65
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-06 05:53, Friday

1) Battle at the Chalchin Gol ~~ last turn BV

Core make-up
* by design
Kavaleriya inf
T-28 tank
BA-10 rcn car
YaG-10 SPAT
152mm aty
I-16-28 ftr

* bought at start
T-28
BT-7M tank
BA-10
2x cavalry inf (*)
82mm M1937 with halftracks (Mechanized + Dismount after Move :naughty )
Horse Aty. 76mm (Mechanized + self-propelled :naughty )
76mm M1936 with horses

"Prestige taken into scenario"
20

Proto
KV-1/40



(*) usually i would go for inf with more Close Defense, but the player is on the defense in many scenarios and CD is actually 1) a hybrid offensive-defensive stat and 2) for combat with or against inf, whereas the campaign is more focussed on tank combat. This makes the infantry's Ground Defense and mobility more important (i spied the Efile and saw that cav offers a good upgrade path in this regard).


Northern group
BT-7, 82mm + 76mm guns, 1x cav and for a couple turns the ftr (which later switched to the eastern group as air cover).

Central group
SPAT, 1x guards, 1x rcn car, 152mm gun and 1x T-28.

Eastern group
1x T-28, 1x guards, horse aty and 1x rcn car.

I confess i restarted once in turn 1 for different deployment.
It turned out that this wasn't necessary, because the northern AI units actually never move (okay, the tank moved - rest of units remained static).

As i often like to gamble, i sent the BT tank (which lacked rcn/spotting support) over the northern prairie to the northeastern flags, once it seemed that aty + damaged inf could clear the north on their own.
Current scenario: Battle at the Chalchin Gol, VH prestige is 35 , All map prestige is: 40
Army cost: 2280 , Current prestige is 60
Prestige available on map yet is 0 pp ( 0 pp in VH to capture) * Turn: 8
AI stance is Defensive Using map: 739
if BV: +400, Battle of Suomussalmi , cap 2770, 8 turns prestige: 0
if V : +300, Battle of Suomussalmi , cap 2770, 9 turns prestige: 0
if TV: +200, Battle of Suomussalmi , cap 2770, 10 turns prestige: 0
Ls: Loss , turn prestige: 0

Infantry
* Cavalry 38 , , 0 bars , 91 exp , 4/10 , Fast Speed, 0 kill , 0 pp [+91 exp]
Kavaleriya 38 , , 0 bars , 56 exp , 8/10 , 2 kill , 156 pp [+56 exp]
Kavaleriya 38 , , 0 bars , 42 exp , 4/10 , 0 kill , 156 pp [+42 exp]

Tank
* T-28 , , 0 bars , 49 exp , 10/10 , 8 kill , 0 pp [+49 exp]
T-28 , , 0 bars , 60 exp , 6/10 , 7 kill , 480 pp [+60 exp]
BT-7M , , 0 bars , 42 exp , 10/10 , 3 kill , 336 pp [+42 exp]

Recon
* BA-10 , , 0 bars , 79 exp , 5/10 , 1 kill , 0 pp [+79 exp]
BA-10 , , 0 bars , 48 exp , 9/10 , 0 kill , 312 pp [+48 exp]

Anti-Tank
* YaG-10 , , 0 bars , 63 exp , 9/10 , 1 kill , 0 pp [+63 exp]

Artillery
* 152mm M1937 (ML-20) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , , 0 bars , 28 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 0 pp [+28 exp]
82mm M1937 Mortar , T-20 Komsomolets , , 0 bars , 32 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 300 pp [+32 exp]
Horse Artillery 76mm , , 0 bars , 53 exp , 7/10 , 0 kill , 336 pp [+53 exp]
76mm M1936 (F-22) , Wagon , , 0 bars , 26 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 204 pp [+26 exp]

Fighter
* I-16-28 , , 0 bars , 43 exp , 10/10 , Air Defense, AntiTank, 1 kill , 0 pp [+43 exp]

Player 1 : USSR, Mongolia
Killed: INF:10 TNK:4 RCN:1 AT:2 ATY:3 AD:2 TB:1 Total: 23
Lost : Total: 0

BV 1
V 0
TV 0
L 0

Averages:
Infantry * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 189 exp, 2 kill, 312 pp Average: 63 exp, 1 kill, 104 pp
Tank * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 151 exp, 18 kill, 816 pp Average: 50 exp, 6 kill, 272 pp
Recon * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 127 exp, 1 kill, 312 pp Average: 64 exp, 1 kill, 156 pp
Anti-Tank * 1 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 63 exp, 1 kill, 0 pp Average: 63 exp, 1 kill, 0 pp
Artillery * 4 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 139 exp, 0 kill, 840 pp Average: 35 exp, 0 kill, 210 pp
Fighter * 1 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 43 exp, 1 kill, 0 pp Average: 43 exp, 1 kill, 0 pp
* Summary: * 14 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 712 exp, 23 kill, 2280 pp Average: 51 exp, 2 kill, 163 pp
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-06 05:58, Friday

2) Suomussalmi ~~ last turn BV

Sold
BT-7 (not a good overrunner and would be expensive to upgrade later)
2x 76mm guns (selling aty is tricky, since they usually gain XP slowly - however, @50% i need to consider potential upgrades => buy aty in the form i can use it for a long time)

Bought
YaG-10 AD-role (can attack Hard Targets)
2x 76mm M1939 with horses and Special Muni (good Ammo and Initiative stats)
2x Fast Speed for cavalry (improving primarily their off-road Speed for this scen - the other already had)

Prestige taken into scenario
130

Bought during scenario
R-5 rcn aircraft (in turn 3)
2x R-5 (in turn 8 IIRC, i forgot to note it)



Deployed in the north: KV-1, SPAD, most-experienced T-28/cav/rcn, 2x 76mm guns.
Rest in the south.

Lots of Snow with a bit of Overcast in between - i already was considering a Lvl Bomber (they have All Weather ability), but just when i had enough money for one of the interesting variants, the weather turned Overcast and i went for numbers instead, to ease up the battle in the north - they could attack for 2 turns, then it was snow again until scenario end.

Could have been BV in turn 10 or 11, but i played till last turn for the Prestige (and XP: southwest of Juntusranta (21,7) are 2 inf hiding in the forest, which basically don't move).
Current scenario: Battle of Suomussalmi, VH prestige is 135 , All map prestige is: 165
Army cost: 3612 , Current prestige is 927
Prestige available on map yet is 0 pp ( 0 pp in VH to capture) * Turn: 13
AI stance is Defensive Using map: 1
if BV: +3600, Pocket of Minsk , cap 10000, 13 turns prestige: 1820
if V : +1800, Pocket of Minsk , cap 10000, 15 turns prestige: 2100
if TV: +900, Pocket of Minsk , cap 10000, 17 turns prestige: 2380
Ls: Loss , turn prestige: 2380

Infantry
* Cavalry 38 , Cav , 1 bars , 147 exp , 3/10 , Fast Speed, 0 kill , 0 pp [+56 exp]
Kavaleriya 38 , Cav , 1 bars , 168 exp , 6/10 , Fast Speed, 5 kill , 156 pp [+112 exp]
Kavaleriya 38 , Cav , 1 bars , 119 exp , 5/10 , Fast Speed, 1 kill , 156 pp [+77 exp]

Tank
* T-28 , Tk , 1 bars , 156 exp , 8/10 , 15 kill , 0 pp [+107 exp]
T-28 , Tk , 1 bars , 130 exp , 10/10 , 9 kill , 480 pp [+70 exp]
+ KV-1/40 , h Tk , 1 bars , 103 exp , 8/10 , 6 kill , 0 pp [+103 exp]

Recon
* BA-10 , Rcn , 1 bars , 152 exp , 7/10 , 3 kill , 0 pp [+73 exp]
BA-10 , Rcn , 1 bars , 104 exp , 8/10 , 1 kill , 312 pp [+56 exp]

Anti-Tank
* YaG-10 , AT...F , 1 bars , 107 exp , 9/10 , 1 kill , 0 pp [+44 exp]

Artillery
* 152mm M1937 (ML-20) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 0 bars , 82 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 0 pp [+54 exp]
82mm M1937 Mortar , T-20 Komsomolets , l Arty...QU , 1 bars , 119 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 300 pp [+87 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 0 bars , 85 exp , 10/10 , Special Munition, 0 kill , 216 pp [+85 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 1 bars , 102 exp , 10/10 , Special Munition, 0 kill , 216 pp [+102 exp]

Air-Defence
YaG-10 , AD...G , 1 bars , 100 exp , 7/10 , 0 kill , 588 pp [+100 exp]

Fighter
* I-16-28 , Ftr , 0 bars , 87 exp , 10/10 , Air Defense, AntiTank, 2 kill , 0 pp [+44 exp]

Dive Bomber
R-5 , , 0 bars , 12 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 396 pp [+12 exp]
R-5 , , 0 bars , 0 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 396 pp
R-5 , , 0 bars , 30 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 396 pp [+30 exp]

Player 1 : USSR
Killed: INF:23 TNK:5 RCN:3 AT:4 FORT:2 ATY:5 AD:3 FTR:1 TB:1 Total: 47
Lost : Total: 0

BV 2
V 0
TV 0
L 0

Averages:
Infantry * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 434 exp, 6 kill, 312 pp Average: 145 exp, 2 kill, 104 pp
Tank * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 389 exp, 30 kill, 480 pp Average: 130 exp, 10 kill, 160 pp
Recon * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 256 exp, 4 kill, 312 pp Average: 128 exp, 2 kill, 156 pp
Anti-Tank * 1 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 107 exp, 1 kill, 0 pp Average: 107 exp, 1 kill, 0 pp
Artillery * 4 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 388 exp, 0 kill, 732 pp Average: 97 exp, 0 kill, 183 pp
Air-Defence * 1 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 100 exp, 0 kill, 588 pp Average: 100 exp, 0 kill, 588 pp
Fighter * 1 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 87 exp, 2 kill, 0 pp Average: 87 exp, 2 kill, 0 pp
Dive Bomber * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 42 exp, 0 kill, 1188 pp Average: 14 exp, 0 kill, 396 pp
* Summary: * 18 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 1803 exp, 43 kill, 3612 pp Average: 100 exp, 2 kill, 201 pp
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-08 18:31, Sunday

Added to the starting post:
@ "Hold Victory Hexes" condition
To avoid confusion, i will write results of scenarios with "Hold VH" Victory Condition as "[held total] of [required (for a BV)] VHs".
Examples:
held 3 of 3 VHs = i held all of the required VHs and achieved BV.
held 7 of 4 VHs = i held not only the 4 VHs required for BV, but also 3 additional ones.
If i held less than the number of VHs required for BV, i will add the actual victory type, example: TV, held 1 of 4 VHs.


3) Pocket of Minsk ~~ held 4 of 3 VHs

Sold
all attachments
3x R-5 rcn bomber

Sidegraded
3x cavalry to Kavaleriya 40

Bought
KV-1/40 (i was considering the KV-8 with its nice stats, but it cannot Overrun => too expensive)
2x 152mm M1938 (they have organic movement and i wasn't sure if i would keep them, thus without Transport)
3x 57mm M1941 (they have organic movement and i wasn't sure...like the aty above)
LaGG-3 (good allround package. The "Aces" version is very sexy, but also very expensive - i earmarked it for later)
I-5 with Special Muni (rcn bomber with All Weather Combat :naughty )
2x Recon for rcn cars
T-34/41
2x 85mm M1939 (AD-class) with horses (the only AD or Flak with more Air Attack is a rail Flak)
2x Maxim Flak-MG (Mechanized (and i personally like [D] dismount if attacked), third highest Air Attack)
3x Air Defense for SPAD and MGs (now all ADs have 10 and all Flaks have 11 Air Attack)

Prestige taken into scenario
12



I confess that in the middle of the buying spree i closed HQ, checked auxes and made a provisional deployment phase to see how all planned battle groups would look like. I also :whine for help, because i was confused about ADs and Flaks.


Deployed
- a fullstrength aux group in the western forest (north of the river)
--> also an aux cav a bit north of the forest, to which it retreated
- 2x aux T-26 and an inf in the northern forest (the AI sometimes needs hints where to go, especially if you want to delay or avoid fights. I wanted to avoid or at least delay potential northern enemies from going to Minsk, these 3 units formed a line from the forest to the river in an attempt to draw the AI towards the northeastern VH)
- a big (2 hexes were unused) mixed core-aux group around the northeastern VH (29,11)
- a big (1 hex was unused) mixed core-aux group north of Minsk (fast and respectively (half)tracked units on the plains and airfield, most retreating towards Minsk, the 2x BTs and 1x T-34 waiting as strategical reserve between Minsk and the northeastern VH)
- 2 aux cavalries (they have a bigger spotting range) east of Minsk
- rest of units in Minsk (leaving 4 hexes empty)
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the western and northeastern groups had some aty+AD support, but the bulk of Flak/aty/AD units was sitting in Minsk


The idea came from the lay of the land as well as Deploy and Victory Hexes, leading to expectations from where enemies would attack. Some of my expectations were wrong, some were risky, but overall it worked.

With the memory of CC76 still somewhat fresh, the first order of the play was deciding wether to blow Bridge(s) in the northeast, to control the AI's path, or not. I decided against blowing (not my brightest moment, but i hadn't seen the Swamp hex at first), to not scare the AI away from the VH.

The second order of the play was blowing the friendly airfield (the only airfield on the whole map), to deny supply to the Luftwaffe. In retrospective, this was unnecessary, because ADs + Flaks were effective at shredding the enemy air units.

I wasn't sure how effective own airforce would be (0 XP-bars), so i parked them east of Minsk at first. In the end, the only shots they fired at enemy air was the He 111 (badly damaged Lvl Bomber that parked outside of AD Range), Hs 123 (badly damaged and sitting in a place where i could park the core ftr outside of enemy spotting) and Bf 110 (unwilling to enter AD areas after turn 1).


The western group delayed the enemies in their area for 5 turns :salute
(technically, for all 7 turns, because a) the last aux unit was killed in Player turn 7 and b) i started small counter-attacks against enemies that made it past the forest, thus saving the back of survivors)

The northern mini group wasn't really needed (all enemies either tried crossing the Swamp or the bridges), but they still helped in defending the northeastern VH.

Blowing the airfield was pointless, since ADs and Flaks (and a few ftr shots) blew the enemy airforce to smithereens until turn 4.

Minsk wasn't really in danger - buying so many units (instead of some of the nicer HiFi stuff) was the better choice :)

In turn 5 i send a T-28 and cav from the airfield as well as the airforce to the northeast - another group of enemies started emerging from the eastern woods, attacking from both sides along the river, and put the VH defenders into trouble.

In turn 6 some enemies from the eastern forest also started arriving near Minsk (a rcn car actually arrived in turn 5 already), but this was easily managable.


25 XP-bars, 0 Leaders - this is one of those plays :whine
Current scenario: Pocket of Minsk, VH prestige is 0 , All map prestige is: 0
Army cost: 8160 , Current prestige is 12
Prestige available on map yet is 0 pp ( 0 pp in VH to capture) * Turn: 8
AI stance is Aggressive Using map: 504
if BV: +1300, Defense of Kishinev , cap 11300, 7 turns prestige: 0
if V : +1000, Defense of Kishinev , cap 11300, 7 turns prestige: 0
if TV: +500, Defense of Kishinev , cap 11300, 7 turns prestige: 0
if Ls: +0, Defense of Kishinev , cap 11300, 7 turns prestige: 0

Infantry
* Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 1 bars , 158 exp , 8/10 , 1 kill , 0 pp [+26 exp]
Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 1 bars , 184 exp , 7/10 , 5 kill , 156 pp [+33 exp]
Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 1 bars , 151 exp , 7/10 , 2 kill , 156 pp [+44 exp]

Tank
* T-28 , Tk , 1 bars , 193 exp , 9/10 , 17 kill , 0 pp [+37 exp]
T-28 , Tk , 2 bars , 201 exp , 10/10 , 15 kill , 480 pp [+71 exp]
+ KV-1/40 , h Tk , 1 bars , 161 exp , 8/10 , 8 kill , 0 pp [+58 exp]
KV-1/40 , h Tk , 1 bars , 123 exp , 9/10 , 8 kill , 792 pp [+98 exp]
T-34/41 , Tk , 1 bars , 122 exp , 10/10 , 8 kill , 600 pp [+97 exp]

Recon
* BA-10 , Rcn , 1 bars , 174 exp , 9/10 , Recon, 3 kill , 0 pp [+22 exp]
BA-10 , Rcn , 1 bars , 163 exp , 7/10 , Recon, 1 kill , 312 pp [+59 exp]

Anti-Tank
* YaG-10 , AT...F , 2 bars , 259 exp , 4/10 , 1 kill , 0 pp [+152 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , AT , 0 bars , 99 exp , 8/10 , 2 kill , 132 pp [+74 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , AT , 1 bars , 102 exp , 6/10 , 1 kill , 132 pp [+77 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , AT , 1 bars , 111 exp , 3/10 , 0 kill , 132 pp [+86 exp]

Flak
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 0 bars , 86 exp , 6/10 , Air Defense, 1 kill , 132 pp [+61 exp]
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 0 bars , 93 exp , 7/10 , Air Defense, 0 kill , 132 pp [+68 exp]

Artillery
* 152mm M1937 (ML-20) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 1 bars , 139 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 0 pp [+57 exp]
82mm M1937 Mortar , T-20 Komsomolets , l Arty...QU , 1 bars , 181 exp , 5/10 , 0 kill , 300 pp [+62 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 1 bars , 138 exp , 10/10 , 1 kill , 216 pp [+53 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 1 bars , 124 exp , 10/10 , 1 kill , 216 pp [+22 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , Arty , 0 bars , 36 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 792 pp [+11 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , Arty , 0 bars , 72 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 792 pp [+47 exp]
+ BM-8-24 , r Arty...LQ , 0 bars , 92 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 0 pp [+67 exp]

Air-Defence
YaG-10 , AD...G , 2 bars , 211 exp , 10/10 , Air Defense, 1 kill , 588 pp [+111 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 1 bars , 176 exp , 10/10 , 2 kill , 540 pp [+151 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 1 bars , 158 exp , 10/10 , 1 kill , 540 pp [+133 exp]

Fighter
* I-16-28 , Ftr , 1 bars , 151 exp , 9/10 , 3 kill , 0 pp [+64 exp]
LaGG-3 , Ftr , 1 bars , 135 exp , 9/10 , 2 kill , 648 pp [+110 exp]

Dive Bomber
I-5 , Rcn...W , 0 bars , 99 exp , 10/10 , Special Munition, 2 kill , 372 pp [+74 exp]

Player 1 : USSR
Killed: INF:38 TNK:20 RCN:5 AT:7 FORT:2 ATY:6 AD:3 FTR:4 TB:5 LB:1 Total: 91
Lost : INF:7 TNK:3 AT:2 ATY:3 AD:3 Total: 18

BV 3
V 0
TV 0
L 0

Averages:
Infantry * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 493 exp, 8 kill, 312 pp Average: 164 exp, 3 kill, 104 pp
Tank * 5 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 800 exp, 56 kill, 1872 pp Average: 160 exp, 11 kill, 374 pp
Recon * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 337 exp, 4 kill, 312 pp Average: 169 exp, 2 kill, 156 pp
Anti-Tank * 4 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 571 exp, 4 kill, 396 pp Average: 143 exp, 1 kill, 99 pp
Flak * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 179 exp, 1 kill, 264 pp Average: 90 exp, 1 kill, 132 pp
Artillery * 7 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 782 exp, 2 kill, 2316 pp Average: 112 exp, 0 kill, 331 pp
Air-Defence * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 545 exp, 4 kill, 1668 pp Average: 182 exp, 1 kill, 556 pp
Fighter * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 286 exp, 5 kill, 648 pp Average: 143 exp, 3 kill, 324 pp
Dive Bomber * 1 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 99 exp, 2 kill, 372 pp Average: 99 exp, 2 kill, 372 pp
* Summary: * 29 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 4092 exp, 86 kill, 8160 pp Average: 141 exp, 3 kill, 281 pp
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-11 04:19, Wednesday

4) Defense of Kishinev - held 3 of 3 VHs


Default XP dropped to 0 :fused


Sold
nothing, i decided to keep all the towed guns i bought at Minsk

Bought
Gvardiya 40 with Fast Entrench
I-5 with Special Muni
Fast Entrench and Recon for an AT
Fast Speed and Recon for an AT
Fast Speed for the third AT
Tachanka SP-FlaMG with Air Defense and Special Muni
2x Special Muni for the smaller FlaMGs
Fast Speed and Recon for a cavalry
Recon for another cav

Prestige taken into scenario
13

Leaders
Kavaleriya 40 , Fire Discipline
BM-8-24 , Infiltration Tactics
I-16-28 , Determined Defense



I confess that i again worked with a provisional deployment phase, where i deployed units around the map to see how the battlegroups would look - and then decided what i should still buy.

I have just read the other 4 available AARs (3 here on OG, 1 on Rayydars) and i go conform with Para and Csaba: offense is the best defense.
Playing @50% (and picking cheaper units for ugrade and purchase) i had +10 units compared to Csaba, thus i could put together the 3 desired battlegroups.


Deployment

Northwest
1x cav (no attachments), 2x 85mm AD, 2x 57mm AT (Fast Speed & Fast Speed, Recon), 1x rcn car, 1x T-28 (low XP) 1x KV-1 (low XP), 82mm mortar, Tachanka and 2x 152mm aty (4 Range and 6 Range)
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With the enemy airfield nearby (and 14+3 DHs, while there are 14 in the northeast and southwest each) i expected the toughest battle to occur here. I was right in both, ground and air (though i was lucky that the AI sent its Romanian airforce from the south also here - i only expected to meet the Luftwaffe).


Northeast
Yag-10 AD, 1x rcn car, 1x 152mm aty, 1x T-28, 1x KV-1, 1x cav (Recon), YaG-10 AT and BM-8-24 (and airforce - 1x ftr waited in the map center in turn 1, but was urgently needed in turn 2)
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I expected the "middle" fight here. Stressy1 was when in turn 1 (and this was the first time ever that i saw it in action) the German Spy sabotaged this group's cavalry :eek :scared which barely survived the first turn - and at the same time the German "BT captured" tank rushed southwards past my defense line (+1 or 2 unit(s) and i could have prevented this breakthrough).
(btw, do i want to know how an organic unit gets sabotaged ? maybe the germans used secret technology from thule :stress )


Southwest
guards inf, 2x FlaMG, 1x cav (Fast Speed, Recon), 1x 57mm AT (Fast Entrench, Recon), 2x 76mm aty and the T-34
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The briefing said "expect parts of the X-th Romanian army, inexperienced", so i naturally expected the easiest fight here, and planted the weaker units accordingly.


It is a "Hold VH" scenario, so i didn't worry that a (single) German unit made it past my lines: there are enough turns to hunt it down and re-take lost VHs.

Temporarily lost the central VH (airfield) in turn 3 - the intruder was killed in turn 4 and the airfield liberated in turn 5.

:whine 1x 57mm AT gun :rip
Current scenario: Defense of Kishinev, VH prestige is 0 , All map prestige is: 240
Army cost: 8796 , Current prestige is 968
Prestige available on map yet is 0 pp ( 0 pp in VH to capture) * Turn: 12
AI stance is Aggressive Using map: 20
if BV: +500, Battle of Odessa , cap 13700, 11 turns prestige: 715
if V : +250, Battle of Odessa , cap 13700, 11 turns prestige: 715
if TV: +100, Battle of Odessa , cap 13700, 11 turns prestige: 715
if Ls: +0, Battle of Odessa , cap 13700, 11 turns prestige: 715

Infantry
* Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 2 bars , 209 exp , 2/10 , Recon, 1 kill , 0 pp [+51 exp]
Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 2 bars , 253 exp , 9/10 , Fast Speed, Recon, 8 kill , 156 pp [+69 exp]
Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 2 bars , 276 exp , 2/10 , Fire Discipline , 4 kill , 156 pp [+125 exp]
Gvardiya 40 , Gren , 0 bars , 58 exp , 2/10 , 0 kill , 216 pp [+58 exp]

Tank
* T-28 , Tk , 2 bars , 292 exp , 4/10 , 21 kill , 0 pp [+99 exp]
T-28 , Tk , 2 bars , 281 exp , 8/10 , 19 kill , 480 pp [+80 exp]
+ KV-1/40 , h Tk , 1 bars , 189 exp , 9/10 , 13 kill , 0 pp [+28 exp]
KV-1/40 , h Tk , 2 bars , 217 exp , 8/10 , 14 kill , 792 pp [+94 exp]
T-34/41 , Tk , 1 bars , 168 exp , 10/10 , 16 kill , 600 pp [+46 exp]

Recon
* BA-10 , Rcn , 2 bars , 226 exp , 8/10 , Recon, 4 kill , 0 pp [+52 exp]
BA-10 , Rcn , 2 bars , 219 exp , 9/10 , Recon, 2 kill , 312 pp [+56 exp]

Anti-Tank
* YaG-10 , AT...F , 4 bars , 413 exp , 8/10 , 1 kill , 0 pp [+154 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , AT , 1 bars , 143 exp , 6/10 , FastEntrench, Recon, 3 kill , 132 pp [+44 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , AT , 1 bars , 198 exp , 8/10 , Fast Speed, Recon, 1 kill , 132 pp [+87 exp]

Flak
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 1 bars , 181 exp , 8/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 1 kill , 132 pp [+95 exp]
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 1 bars , 157 exp , 8/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 0 kill , 132 pp [+64 exp]
Tachanka 38 , MG...QF , 0 bars , 55 exp , 6/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 1 kill , 180 pp [+55 exp]

Artillery
* 152mm M1937 (ML-20) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 1 bars , 193 exp , 5/10 , 0 kill , 0 pp [+54 exp]
82mm M1937 Mortar , T-20 Komsomolets , l Arty...QU , 2 bars , 217 exp , 7/10 , 0 kill , 300 pp [+36 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 1 bars , 171 exp , 10/10 , 1 kill , 216 pp [+33 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 1 bars , 179 exp , 10/10 , 1 kill , 216 pp [+55 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , Arty , 0 bars , 60 exp , 10/10 , 1 kill , 792 pp [+24 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , Arty , 0 bars , 88 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 792 pp [+16 exp]
+ BM-8-24 , r Arty...LQ , 1 bars , 128 exp , 10/10 , Infiltration Tactics , 0 kill , 0 pp [+36 exp]

Air-Defence
YaG-10 , AD...G , 2 bars , 286 exp , 7/10 , Air Defense, 1 kill , 588 pp [+75 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 2 bars , 258 exp , 10/10 , 5 kill , 540 pp [+82 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 2 bars , 262 exp , 10/10 , 3 kill , 540 pp [+104 exp]

Fighter
* I-16-28 , Ftr , 2 bars , 248 exp , 5/10 , Determined Defense , 3 kill , 0 pp [+97 exp]
LaGG-3 , Ftr , 2 bars , 235 exp , 6/10 , 4 kill , 648 pp [+100 exp]

Dive Bomber
I-5 , Rcn...W , 2 bars , 230 exp , 8/10 , Special Munition, 2 kill , 372 pp [+131 exp]
I-5 , Rcn...W , 1 bars , 104 exp , 4/10 , Special Munition, 2 kill , 372 pp [+104 exp]

Player 1 : USSR
Killed: INF:48 TNK:27 RCN:11 AT:11 FLAK:4 FORT:2 ATY:13 AD:5 FTR:7 TB:9 LB:2 Total: 139
Lost : INF:7 TNK:3 AT:3 ATY:3 AD:3 Total: 19

BV 4
V 0
TV 0
L 0

Averages:
Infantry * 4 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 796 exp, 13 kill, 528 pp Average: 199 exp, 3 kill, 132 pp
Tank * 5 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 1147 exp, 83 kill, 1872 pp Average: 229 exp, 17 kill, 374 pp
Recon * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 445 exp, 6 kill, 312 pp Average: 223 exp, 3 kill, 156 pp
Anti-Tank * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 754 exp, 5 kill, 264 pp Average: 251 exp, 2 kill, 88 pp
Flak * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 393 exp, 2 kill, 444 pp Average: 131 exp, 1 kill, 148 pp
Artillery * 7 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 1036 exp, 3 kill, 2316 pp Average: 148 exp, 0 kill, 331 pp
Air-Defence * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 806 exp, 9 kill, 1668 pp Average: 269 exp, 3 kill, 556 pp
Fighter * 2 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 483 exp, 7 kill, 648 pp Average: 242 exp, 4 kill, 324 pp
Dive Bomber * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 334 exp, 4 kill, 744 pp Average: 167 exp, 2 kill, 372 pp
* Summary: * 31 Units * 3 Leaders Total : 6194 exp, 132 kill, 8796 pp Average: 200 exp, 4 kill, 284 pp
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-12 04:18, Thursday

5) Battle of Odessa ~~ BV-1

Sold
all attachments (except of rcn cars, ADs and Flaks)

Bought
4x SpecialMuni and Fast Speed for AT guns and 152mm Range=4 atys (sold Fast Speed of the atys later to finance other stuff)
Anti Tank and Special Muni for the Gvardiya
Fast Speed and Recon for the high XP rcn bomber
Special Muni for the other rcn bomber
Rcon for a Kavaleriya

Upgraded
2x 57mm AT to roll with tractor
2x 152mm Range=4 atys to roll with tractor
Gvardiya to Sibirskaya Pekhota with halftracks
1x cav to Kazaki (more Spotting - and this one was actually a "sidegrade" )

Prestige taken into scenario
13

Leaders
T-28 , Battlefield Intelligence
YaG-10 , Aggressive Attack ~~ (the AT unit on its 5th XP-bar)

Proto
LaGG 3 ~~ (fighter-bomber role)



I deployed the T-34, SPaty and 152mm Range=6 gun in the north - acompanied by a rcn bomber.
Rest of units was deployed more or less equally to advance along the roads and western hills.

I found this scenario rather relaxing :phew

Current scenario: Battle of Odessa, VH prestige is 90 , All map prestige is: 360
Army cost: 9516 , Current prestige is 373
Prestige available on map yet is 0 pp ( 0 pp in VH to capture) * Turn: 9
AI stance is Defensive Using map: 800
if BV: +500, Pocket of Kiew , cap 14900, 10 turns prestige: 0
if V : +300, Pocket of Kiew , cap 14900, 12 turns prestige: 0
if TV: +100, Pocket of Kiew , cap 14900, 14 turns prestige: 0
Ls: Loss , turn prestige: 0

Infantry
* Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 2 bars , 264 exp , 3/10 , 1 kill , 0 pp [+55 exp]
Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 3 bars , 305 exp , 7/10 , 10 kill , 156 pp [+52 exp]
Kazaki Kavaleriya 40 , Cav...Ammo...Cpt Urica , 2 bars , 287 exp , 8/10 , Fire Discipline , Recon, 4 kill , 156 pp [+39 exp]
Sibirskaya Pekhota 41 , T-20 Komsomolets , Gren , 1 bars , 160 exp , 5/10 , AntiTank, Special Munition, 0 kill , 312 pp [+108 exp]

Tank
* T-28 , Tk , 3 bars , 312 exp , 8/10 , Battlefield Intelligence , 22 kill , 0 pp [+20 exp]
T-28 , Tk , 3 bars , 324 exp , 9/10 , 21 kill , 480 pp [+43 exp]
+ KV-1/40 , h Tk , 2 bars , 254 exp , 9/10 , 25 kill , 0 pp [+65 exp]
KV-1/40 , h Tk , 2 bars , 275 exp , 10/10 , 22 kill , 792 pp [+58 exp]
T-34/41 , Tk , 2 bars , 242 exp , 9/10 , 20 kill , 600 pp [+74 exp]

Recon
* BA-10 , Rcn , 3 bars , 318 exp , 7/10 , Recon, 6 kill , 0 pp [+92 exp]
BA-10 , Rcn , 3 bars , 332 exp , 9/10 , Recon, 5 kill , 312 pp [+113 exp]

Anti-Tank
* YaG-10 , AT...F , 5 bars , 502 exp , 10/10 , Aggressive Attack , 2 kill , 0 pp [+89 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , Komintern-2 , AT , 2 bars , 206 exp , 8/10 , Special Munition, Fast Speed, 4 kill , 276 pp [+78 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , Komintern-2 , AT , 2 bars , 275 exp , 8/10 , Special Munition, Fast Speed, 2 kill , 276 pp [+97 exp]

Flak
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 1 bars , 191 exp , 5/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 1 kill , 132 pp [+10 exp]
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 1 bars , 169 exp , 10/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 0 kill , 132 pp [+12 exp]
Tachanka 38 , MG...QF , 2 bars , 208 exp , 8/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 1 kill , 180 pp [+153 exp]

Artillery
* 152mm M1937 (ML-20) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 2 bars , 234 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 0 pp [+41 exp]
82mm M1937 Mortar , T-20 Komsomolets , l Arty...QU , 2 bars , 266 exp , 5/10 , 0 kill , 300 pp [+49 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 2 bars , 207 exp , 10/10 , 1 kill , 216 pp [+36 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 2 bars , 221 exp , 10/10 , 2 kill , 216 pp [+42 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 0 bars , 95 exp , 10/10 , Special Munition, 2 kill , 960 pp [+41 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 1 bars , 149 exp , 10/10 , Special Munition, 0 kill , 960 pp [+70 exp]
+ BM-8-24 , r Arty...LQ.E...Cpt Csaba , 2 bars , 209 exp , 5/10 , Infiltration Tactics , 0 kill , 0 pp [+81 exp]

Air-Defence
YaG-10 , AD...G , 3 bars , 328 exp , 10/10 , Air Defense, 4 kill , 588 pp [+42 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 3 bars , 329 exp , 10/10 , 6 kill , 540 pp [+71 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 3 bars , 328 exp , 10/10 , 4 kill , 540 pp [+66 exp]

Fighter
* I-16-28 , Ftr...def...Cpt Patrick , 3 bars , 307 exp , 10/10 , Determined Defense , 4 kill , 0 pp [+59 exp]
LaGG-3 , Ftr , 3 bars , 304 exp , 9/10 , 5 kill , 648 pp [+69 exp]

Dive Bomber
I-5 , Rcn...W , 2 bars , 291 exp , 10/10 , Fast Speed, Recon, 4 kill , 372 pp [+61 exp]
I-5 , Rcn...W , 2 bars , 212 exp , 9/10 , Special Munition, 3 kill , 372 pp [+108 exp]

Player 1 : USSR
Killed: INF:67 TNK:33 RCN:14 AT:16 FLAK:7 FORT:2 ATY:18 AD:8 FTR:9 TB:12 LB:2 Total: 188
Lost : INF:7 TNK:3 AT:3 ATY:3 AD:3 Total: 19

BV 5
V 0
TV 0
L 0

Averages:
Infantry * 4 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 1016 exp, 15 kill, 624 pp Average: 254 exp, 4 kill, 156 pp
Tank * 5 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 1407 exp, 110 kill, 1872 pp Average: 281 exp, 22 kill, 374 pp
Recon * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 650 exp, 11 kill, 312 pp Average: 325 exp, 6 kill, 156 pp
Anti-Tank * 3 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 983 exp, 8 kill, 552 pp Average: 328 exp, 3 kill, 184 pp
Flak * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 568 exp, 2 kill, 444 pp Average: 189 exp, 1 kill, 148 pp
Artillery * 7 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 1381 exp, 5 kill, 2652 pp Average: 197 exp, 1 kill, 379 pp
Air-Defence * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 985 exp, 14 kill, 1668 pp Average: 328 exp, 5 kill, 556 pp
Fighter * 2 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 611 exp, 9 kill, 648 pp Average: 306 exp, 5 kill, 324 pp
Dive Bomber * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 503 exp, 7 kill, 744 pp Average: 252 exp, 4 kill, 372 pp
* Summary: * 31 Units * 5 Leaders Total : 8104 exp, 181 kill, 9516 pp Average: 261 exp, 6 kill, 307 pp
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-13 04:48, Friday

6) Pocket of Kiew ~~ held 6 of 6 VHs


Default XP jumps from 0 to 75 :fused


Sold
all attachments (except of rcn cars, ADs and Flaks)

Bought
T-34/57 (lots of Hard Attack)
YaG-10 (AD-role) with Special Muni
2x Recon for rcn bombers
Special Muni for the low XP 152mm aty
Anti Tank and Special Muni for the "siberian" inf
3x Politsiya (very affordable, has [#] Can Blow and [+] Lay Mines :sh )

Prestige taken into scenario
30

Leaders
KV-1/40 , Combat Support
KV-1/40 , Extended Front



First order of the play was praying to the goddess that this would be a reverse of the Blitzkrieg/Axis at War/other version of this scenario (meaning: German starting positions are in the west, northeast and southeast) and that the enemy wouldn't have construction/bridging units - 50% of my prayers were answered :phew

Second order of the play was picking where to fight.

I decided to blow the 4 bridges in the southwest and west (3x aux units and 1x Politsiya), and leave the northwestern bridge intact, to confront the battle here with a strong battlegroup (i thought the southwestern airfield would be too difficult to defend, if fighting in the south).
-> 2x Politsiya started west of Kiev and helped with blowing the bridge (8,13) (that's 1 of the 4 mentioned above) as well as a Forest road (7,15). It was then planned that they lay mines, to block the road south to the airfield.

1x Politsiya started in Kiev, moved south and blew the bridge (19,21) as well as layed some mines to block the southern route to Kiev.

Another strong battlegroup was delpoyed east of Kiev and, since i found the airfield difficult to defend here too, entrenched around the VH (24,10).

I planted some units in the southwest and in Kiev, in case enemies would make it past my lines and minefields.

Air war.
It was planned that the Airforce remains passive, until the Luftwaffe suffered from my ADs and Flaks. However, the AI mostly focused on the "saboteurs" (including the 2x core Politsiya) in the first couple turns, partially remaining within range of the northwestern battlegroup's SPAD, making ftr raids possible. In turn 3 the AI went amok (sending 2x Ju 87 without ftr cover to the southwestern airfield - however retreating its lvl bombers and last ftr, probably for resupply). In turn 4, finally, the AI send its remaining bombers into the Kiev and northeastern AD-webs, and ftrs could shoot down the last Messerschmidt.

A couple of hints for my deployment:
- briefing said "expect weak tanks in the east", so i put the (weak) T-28 and fresh T-34/57 tanks there
- 4x AD meant a very good air cover for both battlegroups, leaving Flaks (core and aux) to cover Kiev (Tachankas were added to battlegroups, though)
- lots of auxes makes it easy to place core at the front (for XP), while auxes cover the hinterland (Kiev, roads to the southwestern airfield)

1x Politsiya :rip

A picture before ending turn 1. Yellow "blobs" mark the 5 bridges and 1x forest/road that i blew (airforce is hovering around the south-central "blob"):
https://imgur.com/Z0qRJ9V
The green circle north of Kiev marks the long range 152mm gun.

Current scenario: Pocket of Kiew, VH prestige is 0 , All map prestige is: 180
Army cost: 10812 , Current prestige is 126
Prestige available on map yet is 180 pp ( 0 pp in VH to capture) * Turn: 9
AI stance is Aggressive Using map: 229
if BV: +2500, Pocket of Brjansk , cap 16100, 8 turns prestige: 100
if V : +1300, Pocket of Brjansk , cap 16100, 8 turns prestige: 100
if TV: +700, Pocket of Brjansk , cap 16100, 8 turns prestige: 100
if Ls: +0, Pocket of Brjansk , cap 16100, 8 turns prestige: 100

Infantry
* Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 3 bars , 314 exp , 1/10 , 2 kill , 0 pp [+50 exp]
Kavaleriya 40 , Cav , 3 bars , 344 exp , 8/10 , 10 kill , 156 pp [+39 exp]
Kazaki Kavaleriya 40 , Cav...Ammo...Cpt Urica , 3 bars , 333 exp , 1/10 , Fire Discipline , 4 kill , 156 pp [+46 exp]
Sibirskaya Pekhota 41 , T-20 Komsomolets , Gren , 2 bars , 216 exp , 7/10 , AntiTank, Special Munition, 1 kill , 312 pp [+56 exp]
Politsiya 38 , , 0 bars , 75 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 48 pp
Politsiya 38 , , 0 bars , 89 exp , 3/10 , 0 kill , 48 pp [+14 exp]

Tank
* T-28 , Tk...ini...Cpt Jan , 4 bars , 404 exp , 6/10 , Battlefield Intelligence , 23 kill , 0 pp [+92 exp]
T-28 , Tk , 3 bars , 356 exp , 8/10 , 22 kill , 480 pp [+32 exp]
+ KV-1/40 , h Tk , 3 bars , 334 exp , 7/10 , Combat Support , 27 kill , 0 pp [+80 exp]
KV-1/40 , h Tk , 3 bars , 336 exp , 7/10 , Extended Front , 28 kill , 792 pp [+61 exp]
T-34/41 , Tk , 2 bars , 291 exp , 4/10 , 21 kill , 600 pp [+49 exp]
T-34/57 , Tk , 1 bars , 193 exp , 9/10 , 12 kill , 612 pp [+118 exp]

Recon
* BA-10 , Rcn , 3 bars , 368 exp , 2/10 , Recon, 6 kill , 0 pp [+50 exp]
BA-10 , Rcn , 3 bars , 372 exp , 9/10 , Recon, 5 kill , 312 pp [+40 exp]

Anti-Tank
* YaG-10 , AT...F.aga...Cpt Para , 5 bars , 552 exp , 9/10 , Aggressive Attack , 2 kill , 0 pp [+50 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , Komintern-2 , AT , 2 bars , 234 exp , 3/10 , 4 kill , 276 pp [+28 exp]
57mm M1941 (ZiS-2) , Komintern-2 , AT , 3 bars , 310 exp , 6/10 , 2 kill , 276 pp [+35 exp]

Flak
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 2 bars , 214 exp , 9/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 2 kill , 132 pp [+23 exp]
Maxim 4M , Flak...Q , 2 bars , 206 exp , 9/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 0 kill , 132 pp [+37 exp]
Tachanka 38 , MG...QF , 3 bars , 322 exp , 5/10 , Air Defense, Special Munition, 1 kill , 180 pp [+114 exp]

Artillery
* 152mm M1937 (ML-20) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 2 bars , 269 exp , 10/10 , 2 kill , 0 pp [+35 exp]
82mm M1937 Mortar , T-20 Komsomolets , l Arty...QU , 3 bars , 306 exp , 1/10 , 0 kill , 300 pp [+40 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 2 bars , 274 exp , 10/10 , 2 kill , 216 pp [+67 exp]
76mm M1939 (USV) , Wagon , l Arty , 2 bars , 259 exp , 10/10 , 2 kill , 216 pp [+38 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 1 bars , 151 exp , 10/10 , Special Munition, 3 kill , 960 pp [+56 exp]
152mm M1938 (M-10) , KhPZ Voroshilovets , Arty , 1 bars , 170 exp , 10/10 , 0 kill , 960 pp [+21 exp]
+ BM-8-24 , r Arty...LQ.E...Cpt Csaba , 2 bars , 257 exp , 10/10 , Infiltration Tactics , 0 kill , 0 pp [+48 exp]

Air-Defence
YaG-10 , AD...G , 3 bars , 382 exp , 10/10 , Air Defense, 4 kill , 588 pp [+54 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 3 bars , 363 exp , 10/10 , 7 kill , 540 pp [+34 exp]
85mm M1939 (52-K) , Limber , AD...as , 3 bars , 362 exp , 10/10 , 5 kill , 540 pp [+34 exp]
YaG-10 , AD...G , 2 bars , 203 exp , 10/10 , Special Munition, 2 kill , 588 pp [+128 exp]

Fighter
* I-16-28 , Ftr...def...Cpt Patrick , 4 bars , 409 exp , 6/10 , Determined Defense , 5 kill , 0 pp [+102 exp]
LaGG-3 , Ftr , 3 bars , 398 exp , 7/10 , 6 kill , 648 pp [+94 exp]

Dive Bomber
I-5 , Rcn...W , 3 bars , 345 exp , 10/10 , Recon, 5 kill , 372 pp [+54 exp]
I-5 , Rcn...W , 3 bars , 300 exp , 9/10 , Recon, 3 kill , 372 pp [+88 exp]
+ LaGG-3 , FB , 1 bars , 142 exp , 9/10 , 2 kill , 0 pp [+67 exp]

Player 1 : USSR
Killed: INF:77 TNK:46 RCN:16 AT:19 FLAK:8 FORT:2 ATY:20 AD:10 FTR:11 TB:15 LB:4 Total: 228
Lost : INF:11 TNK:3 AT:3 FLAK:1 ATY:3 AD:3 Total: 24

BV 6
V 0
TV 0
L 0

Averages:
Infantry * 6 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 1371 exp, 17 kill, 720 pp Average: 229 exp, 3 kill, 120 pp
Tank * 6 Units * 3 Leaders Total : 1914 exp, 133 kill, 2484 pp Average: 319 exp, 22 kill, 414 pp
Recon * 2 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 740 exp, 11 kill, 312 pp Average: 370 exp, 6 kill, 156 pp
Anti-Tank * 3 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 1096 exp, 8 kill, 552 pp Average: 365 exp, 3 kill, 184 pp
Flak * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 742 exp, 3 kill, 444 pp Average: 247 exp, 1 kill, 148 pp
Artillery * 7 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 1686 exp, 9 kill, 2652 pp Average: 241 exp, 1 kill, 379 pp
Air-Defence * 4 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 1310 exp, 18 kill, 2256 pp Average: 328 exp, 5 kill, 564 pp
Fighter * 2 Units * 1 Leaders Total : 807 exp, 11 kill, 648 pp Average: 404 exp, 6 kill, 324 pp
Dive Bomber * 3 Units * 0 Leaders Total : 787 exp, 10 kill, 744 pp Average: 262 exp, 3 kill, 248 pp
* Summary: * 36 Units * 7 Leaders Total : 10453 exp, 220 kill, 10812 pp Average: 290 exp, 6 kill, 300 pp
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by randowe » 2020-03-13 13:01, Friday

mythos wrote: 3x Politsiya (very affordable, has [#] Can Blow and [+] Lay Mines :sh )
Now they can't blow and lay mines anymore :P Changed that for all police units of all nations :yes
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by mythos » 2020-03-14 01:50, Saturday

:eek treachery - with their Speed=2, they were totally balanced ;D

I just checked and when selling 1-2 attachments, i could easily finance more expensive infantry, so i agree this change is ok.
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Re: Forward, mythos ~~ @50%

Post by randowe » 2020-03-14 11:07, Saturday

mythos wrote:
2020-03-14 01:50, Saturday
:eek treachery - with their Speed=2, they were totally balanced ;D

I just checked and when selling 1-2 attachments, i could easily finance more expensive infantry, so i agree this change is ok.
That won't be tooooo expensive ;) The next unit who can lay and clear mines are the recruits or whatever they are called in the different nations, they cost just around 24pp more than the police.
Obviously it was my mistake to allow police to handle mines :bonk
But i already said that there are probably 1000 mistakes and i will need 2 to 3 years to cope with that :cool
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