OpenGen Questions & Bugs - Latest exe:0.93.5.RC6 ( 28-May-2024 )

[alpha alpha dawg]

Hello to all!

Is there an issue with the high/last score for 0.93.5.RC6? When I use this version the high score/last score is not working correctly. Instead of displaying the name from the Dossier screen, it is only displaying a symbol or two (square, negative sign, etc.).

[none]

Which RC6? The last is RC6c, which fixes several small issues (sorry, don't recall which).

[alpha alpha dawg]

Thank you for the response sir! I'm using 6c. I snipped an image but am unable to figure out how to upload to my message.

[none]

Well, I can't help any more since I don't use this feature. You'll have to wait till Luis sees this...
You can't upload images directly (yet). You'll have to host it somewhere and post a link.

[alpha alpha dawg]

Thank you kindly for the consideration and the upload tip. Have a great rest of your weekend!

[PrinzMurmel]

Hi,
I have an issue with one of my paratroopers units. I am playing BASEKORP Blitz (not the latest OG release though).
I have a Fallschirm 40 and a Fallschirm 43 unit. The 40 one works just fine, but the 43 one refuses to lift off using air transport. I don't get the 'A' option like the 40 one does, or even other units that have the airmobile property. What can be the cause of this?
Regards,
P.M.

[sympatyk]

Hi,
I have an issue with one of my paratroopers units. I am playing BASEKORP Blitz (not the latest OG release though).
I have a Fallschirm 40 and a Fallschirm 43 unit. The 40 one works just fine, but the 43 one refuses to lift off using air transport. I don't get the 'A' option like the 40 one does, or even other units that have the airmobile property. What can be the cause of this?
Regards,
P.M.

This is a question for the campaign creator
Maybe after the amphibious operation in Crete 1941 - he decided that Fallschirm 43 would not fly?

[Parabellum]

Hi,
I have an issue with one of my paratroopers units. I am playing BASEKORP Blitz (not the latest OG release though).
I have a Fallschirm 40 and a Fallschirm 43 unit. The 40 one works just fine, but the 43 one refuses to lift off using air transport. I don't get the 'A' option like the 40 one does, or even other units that have the airmobile property. What can be the cause of this?
Regards,
P.M.

This is a question for the campaign creator
Maybe after the amphibious operation in Crete 1941 - he decided that Fallschirm 43 would not fly?

That would also have been my guess, because that's how I know it from another e-file (RSF). Paratroopers are then just “normal” infantry with better combat characteristics.
If you use the OG suite, then you can search for the unit and find out about its special abilities.

Another question would be whether in your case air transport is available at all in the scenario and if so, how much?

[randowe]

Hi,
I have an issue with one of my paratroopers units. I am playing BASEKORP Blitz (not the latest OG release though).
I have a Fallschirm 40 and a Fallschirm 43 unit. The 40 one works just fine, but the 43 one refuses to lift off using air transport. I don't get the 'A' option like the 40 one does, or even other units that have the airmobile property. What can be the cause of this?
Regards,
P.M.

I just checked it and the Fallschirm 43 and 46 units have no air transport that matches their transport weight setting in the efile. So these units will never fly. For the reasons behind this settings we can only speculate. Maybe @Puma reads this and can help.

[Puma]

Strange, what version are you playing with?
Max, can you give a version number of what you checked.
I have looked at old versions back to 2019 and they have the same air transports for all Fallschirm.

Maybe only one air transport is available for the scenario?

[randowe]

Strange, what version are you playing with?
Max, can you give a version number of what you checked.
I have looked at old versions back to 2019 and they have the same air transports for all Fallschirm.

Maybe only one air transport is available for the scenario?

I have the BK version from August 2019. The latest one from the OG homepage says also August 2019 and uses the same transport weights for the paratroopers. The '43 and '46 paratroopers use a different weight which has no air transport assigned to it.

See the first picture for the 1940 paratroopers which can use the Ju 52 whereas in the second picture the 1943 paratroopers use an other transport weight that has no plane assigned to it.

[Puma]

Thanks for that. I must have updated the 2019 version and not uploaded it.
There have been many versions since 2019 that have not been uploaded

[PrinzMurmel]

Hmm.. thanks for checking!
What I find especially strange is that even for example a Gebirgspioniere 43 unit I have with Airmobile ability can lift off (in a Me 321) from an air field.
The same location does not work for the Fsch 43.
The version I currently use is the 0.93.4 RC5.1 from Feb. 2022.

So I guess I could fix it by changing the air transport setting in the equipment file via the Suite..

[sympatyk]

Hello to all!

Is there an issue with the high/last score for 0.93.5.RC6? When I use this version the high score/last score is not working correctly. Instead of displaying the name from the Dossier screen, it is only displaying a symbol or two (square, negative sign, etc.).

Please provide more details
What was the previous version of OG that worked correctly?
What e-file do you use and what campaign or scenario?

[alpha alpha dawg]

Hello to all!

Is there an issue with the high/last score for 0.93.5.RC6? When I use this version the high score/last score is not working correctly. Instead of displaying the name from the Dossier screen, it is only displaying a symbol or two (square, negative sign, etc.).

Please provide more details
What was the previous version of OG that worked correctly?
What e-file do you use and what campaign or scenario?

Hello sir. I apologize for the late response. The last version of OG where the high score worked correctly was 0.93.5.RC1.c. However, I quit using this version when I started using OpenSuite 5.0.73.13 as OG was no longer working. I then switched to OG 0.93.5.RC6. However now when I play the high score/last score no longer works. The names from the dossier do not display in the high score/last score screen and there are symbols instead. I play a bunch of campaigns, but most recently played Rising Sun with LXF efile.

Thank you kindly!

[sympatyk]

Changing the game engine from 0.93.5.RC1.c to version 0.93.5.RC6 does not cause any problems
However, if you used Suite 5.0.73.13 (before changing the game engine to RC6) and saved the game - these may be undesirable effects

The rule is - we use Suite compatible with the game engine
Suite 5.0.73.13 is compatible with the 0.93.5.RC6 engine, but not with previous game engines
Also, the 0.93.5.RC6 game engine is not compatible with earlier versions of the Suite

Golothin has just released the latest version of LXF Efile
viewtopic.php?p=18755#p18755

I don't know if I understood the problem correctly - I don't speak English
I use Google Translate to write on the forum ..

I'll ask - if you start a new game --> it all works fine?

[alpha alpha dawg]

it is very clear thank you! My problem maybe using different versions that are not compatible with each other. I will go back to using matching versions. Thanks for the help sir!

[PrinzMurmel]

Hmm.. thanks for checking!
What I find especially strange is that even for example a Gebirgspioniere 43 unit I have with Airmobile ability can lift off (in a Me 321) from an air field.
The same location does not work for the Fsch 43.
The version I currently use is the 0.93.4 RC5.1 from Feb. 2022.

So I guess I could fix it by changing the air transport setting in the equipment file via the Suite..

Just to inform you, I did it and it works! I changed the weight settings for the Me 321, and now the Fallschirm 43 uses it as air transport.
Thanks to randowe for the screenshots, they pointed me in the right direction!

[randowe]

Just to inform you, I did it and it works! I changed the weight settings for the Me 321, and now the Fallschirm 43 uses it as air transport.
Thanks to randowe for the screenshots, they pointed me in the right direction!

Good job I am glad i could help!

[Duke Falcon]

I vaguely remember it may were discussed before the forum's crash - and now not found that anywhere:

Can submarines carry other units? And\or act as supply units?
Because subs have different behaviour if I remember correctly...

[none]

Can submarines carry other units? And\or act as supply units?

IIRC submarines can carry other units (all unit types can have hangars), and supply submarines have been something I was bugging Luis for years!...

Luis finally found this spring a solution using composite submarines (= a submarine (submerged) inside a sea transport (surface)), in a somewhat convoluted way of which the precise explanation was unfortunately lost during the crash.

It should work in the latest versions, in that you can now give the "supply" bit to a transport which has been affected to another unit, and outside of Open Suite (how? I don't remember). Previously you could only give that bit to a stand-alone transport unit.
So, to build a supply submarine, you create (scenario level) a composite submarine with a submarine inside a sea transport*, and give the sea transport the "supply" bit. There are details I'm probably missing, but unfortunately Real Life prevents me from checking it out right now.
That's IIRC, the exact explanation was lost during the crash and unfortunately my working memory is somewhat overloaded with other stuff right now.


* People who can't figure what this would look like can check the NOKorp E-File, submarines and sea transports. I've been using it to simulate the differences of submerged vs surface, like speed, weapons (can't fire cannons under water!) and such. In the game you dive/surface your sub using the "embark/debark" feature. Note the AI can't do it, so you need to also keep the "classic" submarines for the AI.

[Duke Falcon]

Can submarines carry other units? And\or act as supply units?

IIRC submarines can carry other units (all unit types can have hangars), and supply submarines have been something I was bugging Luis for years!...

Luis finally found this spring a solution using composite submarines (= a submarine (submerged) inside a sea transport (surface)), in a somewhat convoluted way of which the precise explanation was unfortunately lost during the crash.

It should work in the latest versions, in that you can now give the "supply" bit to a transport which has been affected to another unit, and outside of Open Suite (how? I don't remember). Previously you could only give that bit to a stand-alone transport unit.
So, to build a supply submarine, you create (scenario level) a composite submarine with a submarine inside a sea transport*, and give the sea transport the "supply" bit. There are details I'm probably missing, but unfortunately Real Life prevents me from checking it out right now.
That's IIRC, the exact explanation was lost during the crash and unfortunately my working memory is somewhat overloaded with other stuff right now.


* People who can't figure what this would look like can check the NOKorp E-File, submarines and sea transports. I've been using it to simulate the differences of submerged vs surface, like speed, weapons (can't fire cannons under water!) and such. In the game you dive/surface your sub using the "embark/debark" feature. Note the AI can't do it, so you need to also keep the "classic" submarines for the AI.

Thanks!
I use transport sub in the equipment now.
Supply sub as I solved => Set a sub for fortification with naval movement and check the corresponding box for those scenarios it would appear... Since it would appear only in 1-3 underwater scenarios this method seems valid.

[none]

Set a sub for fortification with naval movement

It will work, but it will handle like a submarine on the surface: Any surface vessel will be able to hit it, which is what you would like to prevent in the first place (else you can use as well a supply ship).
The "submarine" class is the only one to have those submarine-specific perks, like the fact they are only affected by units having the "ASW equipment" special (also they aren't visible unless you happen upon them, and so on. In short, they are special...). A "fortification" class submarine would handle pretty much like a (sturdy) surface vessel.


Now the composite submarine trick has the advantage that it simulates, without having to rewrite a big part of the Open General code, the operational differences between a surfaced submarine (= standard ship), and a submerged one (= utterly stealthy, hard to hit, but very slow).
The whole issue was to be able to give the "surface" (sea transport) part of the composite submarine the "supply" perk, and Luis somehow managed to do it, it should work in the latest version. Unfortunately I was engrossed in a big, very complicated project, and haven't had any time for OG since...

We need to wait for Luis to drop in and post again the instructions he gave back then, and which were lost during the "Big Crash of '24"...

[sympatyk]

I report the inconvenience
When saving the game -it is not checked if there is already a record with such a name -> If we do not give a new name -> The file will be overwrite without warning

https://drive.google.com/file/d/140AEpA ... sp=sharing

[LuisGuzman]

I report the inconvenience
When saving the game -it is not checked if there is already a record with such a name -> If we do not give a new name -> The file will be overwrite without warning

https://drive.google.com/file/d/140AEpA ... sp=sharing

But you can see that there is already a game with same filename, as the proposed filenames is the same than last 2 entries in the list and the last entry (the filename proposed in the editing box) is marked as (new)
Do you mean adding as well a pop message asking to overwrite ?

[sympatyk]

Yes, I thought about that --> but I don't consider it a bug, just a small inconvenience..

[PrinzMurmel]

I have a question about the Overrun ability on planes: I have a Me 262 that has this, but were unable to use it. I attacked an enemy fighter (with strength only 1), killed it, but then was not able to fly on the the next victim
I expected this to work similarly to a tank overrun..?

[none]

That would be silly, wouldn't it!...
I think the "overrun" perk is tank-specific, and is supposed to simulate, well, overrunning infantry (driving over them...). It wouldn't make sense for a plane.

If you want your plane to shoot twice, why don't you give it the "fire twice" leader? Of course this means not all Me 262 will have it, but then again why should they? There are easier ways to simulate the superiority of jets over propeller fighters, if that's what you're after (Higher initiative is the obvious way).

[PrinzMurmel]

However, tanks can also overrun other tanks for example, not only infantry..
So what is the 'Can overrun' ability then supposed to mean for a plane?

[none]

Well, nothing I guess. But only Luis can say what the real mechanism behind it is.
That been said I think I remember it was a tank-only special. IIRC there was a more in-depth explanation once but I've lost track, I don't know if it was in the old forum, or the even older forum...

Whatever it is, what are you trying to do anyway? Specifically make a plane type able to shoot twice, or just for it be more devastating than other plane types? Or something else altogether?

[Dimitris GR]

I remember 1 Flak unit with overrun but i don't remember if this worked on planes.

[sympatyk]

I have a question about the Overrun ability on planes: I have a Me 262 that has this, but were unable to use it. I attacked an enemy fighter (with strength only 1), killed it, but then was not able to fly on the the next victim
I expected this to work similarly to a tank overrun..?

What campaign and e-file is this?
Aircraft cannot have the "Overrun" attribute.

https://luis-guzman.com/OpenGen_Combat.html

Overrun procedure

Any unit may Overrun when it was not surprised by unspotted Defender while moving and:

Attacker's class is Tank and has not "Overrun" special attribute.
Attacker is ground unit not class Tank and has "Overrun" special attribute
Attacker has ammo to fire

When Attacker may Overrun, Combat Forecast is figured out and if results that:

Defender's losing all its strength and Attacker not losing any strength...

Then defender is killed and normal combat doesn't happen. Each overrun requires the Attacker to spend ammo. Attacker can continue moving and firing.

[LuisGuzman]

I have a question about the Overrun ability on planes: I have a Me 262 that has this, but were unable to use it. I attacked an enemy fighter (with strength only 1), killed it, but then was not able to fly on the the next victim
I expected this to work similarly to a tank overrun..?

What campaign and e-file is this?
Aircraft cannot have the "Overrun" attribute.

https://luis-guzman.com/OpenGen_Combat.html

Overrun procedure

Any unit may Overrun when it was not surprised by unspotted Defender while moving and:

Attacker's class is Tank and has not "Overrun" special attribute.
Attacker is ground unit not class Tank and has "Overrun" special attribute
Attacker has ammo to fire

When Attacker may Overrun, Combat Forecast is figured out and if results that:

Defender's losing all its strength and Attacker not losing any strength...

Then defender is killed and normal combat doesn't happen. Each overrun requires the Attacker to spend ammo. Attacker can continue moving and firing.

exactly

[PrinzMurmel]

What campaign and e-file is this?
Aircraft cannot have the "Overrun" attribute.

https://luis-guzman.com/OpenGen_Combat.html

Well, it's the EFILE_BASEKORP with the Blitz 2008 campaign..
So sad, I thought it could be a cool feature for an advanced fighter