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Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-13 16:35, Thursday

First, a little bit of back story on how I got here:

a friend was cleaning out his PC games collection and he gave me several of them including Panzer General II. I have been playing it for several months. Took me a while to learn the strategy of it, etc. Finally finish all the stock campaign and I started searching for more and I found this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_FVVB ... wNDYy/view

So I started playing the Das Reich campaign by jurgen wonderdoctor and I got stuck on The 4th battle of Kharkov where a secret HEX is suppose to appear in turn 10 but it didn't.

I Google jurgen wonderdoctor and found his email address in an old thread here http://www.panzercentral.com/forum/view ... hp?t=37610

I sent him an email hoping it would still be active and yes it was. He replied and told me where the secret HEX is but apparently in Adlerkorp campaigns pack of the version of Das Reich I am playing, it was removed.

In his email he also told me that there is now a new Panzer General forum: Open General, which is how I found this place.

I finally finish Das Reich and I am playing the Four Our Freedom and Yours campaign .

In the Warsaw siege, how do I finish with a Victory?

Brilliant VIctory in 3 turns is impossible.

I have tried to take all the enemy HEX (2 on top, 1 on far left, 1 on bottom right) but can't do it with Victory or Brilliant Victor or a Tactical Victory even if I use up all the turn.

Or am I even suppose to take the enemy HEX?

I Google it and found this and this player didn't say anything about taking them, sound like he just held on to all the Warsaw HEX until the end.

http://www.panzercentral.com/forum/view ... rs#p572105
I decided to defend! :sarcasm
First goal was to get my units out of german ATY-range.
Second goal was to shell as much german INF as possible down to 7 strength or less.
Third goal was to destroy as much of them as possible.
Fourth goal was to survive.
All done. :thumbsup
At the last turn I held all Warsaw hexes. :yep
Does moving any units outside of Warsaw regardless if you take the enemy HEX or not results in automatic loss?

I even try to take out all the enemy units without venturing outside of Warsaw and leaving the enemy HEX alone but that is not possible.

I don't have enough units or have the air power to do it. Either way by the end of the last Tactical Victory turn, there is still plenty of enemy around especially their ME and FW fighters which my ONE little Word War 1 fighter plane is no match for.

I just want to finish this mission with a Victory instead of a Tactical Victory so I can move on to the next map in the campaign.

Sorry about the LONG post.

TIA for your help.

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That's Why...

Post by HexCode » 2020-02-13 20:07, Thursday

:howdy # JD2020 #

I hope you won't perceive this "radical move" of your topic as a slight. :ihope The reason for the move is this:

Sometime ago, # lvjtn # (Csaba), a "Red Administrator", posted elsewhere in these forums:
it's like the opengen subforum: it's not a "pg2 + opengen" forum, but pg2 is the ancestor of opengen, and it's impossible to completely separate them, so there will always be posts and threads about pg2 issues in the opengen subforum, same for pg1 vs. pgf
In any case, welcome to these forums. :)

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-13 22:02, Thursday

Thank you HexCode.

I've gone back and replay it 2 times AFTER replaying the previous Kampinoski Forest map twice to finish with a Brilliant Victory and not one unit lost.

there is a bug in that map:

there are 3 German HEX to take. One on top right corner, one on top middle, one on bottom middle.

If you take two of them without taking the one on the bottom, the game still ends in Brilliant Victory even with dozen of German units still on the map.

So here are my results of replaying the Warsaw siege map twice:

1. holding on defense and using my artillery to keep the enemy from rushing the city and taking my all my HEX.

I defended until the last turn with all my HEX in my control which still results in loss.

2. Same as above and at same time rushing those fast APC toward the enemy HEX, 2 on the left, 2 on top, one on the bottom.

With no turns left I was able to take 3 of them but I still lose.

Losing with a Tactical Victory ends the campaign.

It's not possible to win:

1. not enough ground units even with the extra units that the map had on added to the ones I brought with me and there is also not enough prestige to replace all my ground units with artillery.

2. not enough air power on my side: a few bombers and 1 fighter is no match for the Luftwaffe coming at me with Stukas and Donier bombers and with Messerschmitts and Focke Wulf fighters.

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by mythos » 2020-02-14 04:13, Friday

Hi JD and :welcome to the forums :howdy

JD2020 wrote:
2020-02-13 16:35, Thursday
In the Warsaw siege, how do I finish with a Victory?

Brilliant VIctory in 3 turns is impossible.
In many older campaigns you will find scenarios where a specific type of victory (Brilliant/Decisive, or "normal" ) is impossible, sometimes even the Tactical victory cannot be achieve - this is intended.
I have to confess though that i don't remember if "For Our Freedom and Yours" belongs to these campaigns.


JD2020 wrote:
2020-02-13 16:35, Thursday
I have tried to take all the enemy HEX (2 on top, 1 on far left, 1 on bottom right) but can't do it with Victory or Brilliant Victor or a Tactical Victory even if I use up all the turn.

Or am I even suppose to take the enemy HEX?
I am a bit confused: you said "2 on top", i see only 1, so it seems we are looking at 2 different versions.
Anyway, the basic idea should have stayed the same between versions, thus: looking at the scenario, it seems you are supposed to defend against the enemy attack, and, once there is some space, then move out to take the Hexes (Victory Hexes, VH for short). Maybe there is another hidden VH somewhere.


Sorry i cannot be of more help.
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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-14 04:35, Friday

I am done with this.

Someone changed it before they put it in the multi campaigns map.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_FVVB ... wNDYy/view

I was able to get Victory and taking the 5 Victory Hexes which still resulted in a loss.

The long debrief afterward said I ventured out of the city which I am not supposed to.

Guess all ground units are supposed to stay within the city and the enemy Victory Hexes to be left alone.

The one step above Victory is Brilliant VIctory which is impossible in only 5 turns I believe.

Outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 in ground unit and 10 to 1 in air power, it's impossible.

After I lost getting Victory, I replayed it without going for the enemy Victory Hexes.

I was able to decimate all the enemy ground units with 3 turns left and guess what?

Here comes the Luftwaffe: 2 bomber, 4 fighters against my 2 little World War 1 fighters.

No way I can win.

A tactical win also results in a loss.

The only way to win is a Victory without going for the enemy Victory Hexes and take out ALL the enemy units, both on the ground and in the air.

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-18 01:22, Tuesday

I am playing the For King and Empire campaign by Generalleutenant Von Adler which is also part of this same campaign pack, #55D on the list:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_FVVB ... wNDYy/view

I done alright so far, got one brilliant victory and victories.

Then I get to Operation Overlord and that's the trouble.

pressing F11 or Print Screen for screenshot but the image comes out garbled so I took photos:

There is only 4 squares off the coast for deployment.

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There is 2 British Victory HEX on the bottom right corner guarded by one red beret paratroopers unit with a hit point of 6.

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The number of German Victory HEX to take outnumbers my 4 units I can deploy.

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I decided to get 4 paratroopers unit in a fast jeep and air transport.

It's not possible even if I put each one to a German VIctory HEX and take 4 of them within 4 turns, now I have no air transport anymore.

I have to use the 4 jeeps to get them across the map to the other Victory HEXes and on the way they run into hidden artillery and tanks and ground unit.

Can't win. Also when I take a German Victory HEX and I leave to go to the next one, they come with a tank or APC and take it back.

I even try taking all 4 units and put them in the bottom right corner with that one red beret paratroopers unit and hold the 2 British Victory HEXes until all turns are done including tactical victory turns.

That results in an Allied loss and me being dismissed from command.

I have not tried to see if the map results in an allied loss if I just forget the 2 British Victory HEXes and let the Germans take them.

Maybe they are there to throw you off.

UPDATE:

I tried that. Letting the German take the 2 British Victory HEXes does not end the map but it's still impossible.

Too much terrain to cover and too few units and any German HEX you take gets taken back.

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by Parabellum » 2020-02-18 07:33, Tuesday

JD2020 wrote:
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There is only 4 squares off the coast for deployment.

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OK, I don't know the campaign. So I don't know if my hint is helpful: are there really only four deployment hexes? Or are there eight - four in the air for paratroopers and four at sea in landing craft. The order of the line-up is important - first the paratrooper! After that, four hex should be free among the paratroopers for units without air transport. But I am not sure :notsure . Please test it.
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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-18 07:50, Tuesday

Hi Parabellum. They are really only 4. In the air or on the sea, one or the other.

I am going to try tomorrow to deploy 4 tanks and land them on the coast.

But with 10 enemy victory hexes to take in a total of 15 turns, that's still impossible.

Again, the enemy will retake a victory hex once you leave and with only 4 units, that is if they all survive the fight for each hex, there is not enough to guard all of them.

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by Ale » 2020-02-18 12:16, Tuesday

not sure what game are you using, a bit of confusion from your initial post sorry, but in any case use Open General game from this site http://www.open-general.com/

after game installed, you can install additional packs like "CC pack" which contains "For king and empire" as CC 47. Haven't tried it myself via that pack but i guess it should work as intended in game.

played it many years ago - as many members on ex-forum you linked to - do not remember any troubles with Overlord and beside 4 core units there are auxiliary units on your side, making it winnable

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-18 19:16, Tuesday

The only auxiliary unit is the red beret paratroopers who do not stand a chance against a tank, 3 infantry unit and 1-2 towed artillery coming at them from all sides - even when I am refueling them every other turn - their hit point just keep dwindling until they are dead.

I will give the Open General a try.

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-19 06:52, Wednesday

So I went back and replay the Siege of Warsaw mission of For Our Freedom and Yours that I mention in my original post.

Same as the other day: I was able to take out all the German ground units and then spent the remaining 5-6 turns fighting off the horde of German fighters and bombers.

I was able to take out one of their ME109 with the orange nose and a gray Dornier twin engine bomber.

But just like last week, when I was at the final turn to be tactical victory and the Luftwaffe still had aircraft in the air, it told me the same thing again:

ALLIED LOSS....

except instead of getting the screen saying I have been dismissed and the blood of the Poles are flowing or something on the streets of Warsaw,

it gave a screen showing a General receiving some medal.

I don't know what happened, it's an allied loss like the ones I had before, but I will take it.

I even made multiple save and put 2 copies on my 2 hard drives.

This was a hard win because last week I gave up and I deleted the save games.

Today I decided to try again and I had to replay the 3 missions prior to it first.

I am now in Norway at Narvik with the objective of capturing a port and keeping it away from the German Navy or something.

Will continue playing tomorrow.

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Re: Four Our Freedom and Yours Panzer General II Help please.

Post by JD2020 » 2020-02-20 07:52, Thursday

Those poor Poles had it rough!

They were using old airplanes and tanks against the Germans.

Airplanes with this kind of wing design. There is probably a correct name for it but I don't know it. I know it's not biplane.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_O-52_Owl

Then I get send to Norway and France, I had even less choices of artillery and fighter and no tanks to choose from.

I lost most of my tanks and artillery in Poland and I had nothing in Norway and France to choose from to replenish my army with.

They were fighting along side the French and the British to stop the Germans from entering France from Belgium and Holland.

The French and British didn't give them newer equipment?

After losing in France, they send me to North Africa to fight alongside the Australian in the defense of Tobruk.

I didn't know the Poles and Australian were at Tobruk. I looked it up and yes they were.

Only after winning two battles at Tobruk and having the Afrika Korps on the run, no longer commanded by Rommel, did the game give me newer equipment like Spitfire VC for bomber and Hurricane and Spitfire fighters.

I have been stuck using these for the 8-9 missions since the beginning of the campaign going back to 1939:

these are the fighters I had to use during the Siege of Warsaw that took me a week and over 2 dozen replays to get past it with a victory:

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... aft_id=614

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... aft_id=618

and this bomber for the entire first 7 mission from Poland to Norway and France.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... ft_id=1795

Only did after I got to Tobruk did it give me this which were just slightly better but still pretty useless against German tanks, artillery and armored vehicles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Battle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter

My next battle will be in Ghazala and looking it up, the allies lost big time.

Looks like I will lose this one too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gazala

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